Avengers Film

I wouldn't be surprised if, like SHEILD, they used a previous villianous element from the previous films. Maybe Redskull and HYRDA?

What if they tied the Skrulls into Thor's Asgard backstory, make them some long-lost branch and/or bitter enemy of the Asgardians that Loki's summoned to serve as his army?

See, doing that's gonna piss off the comic fans. You wanna reach out to a wider audience, yes, but you also wanna appeal to those who are already fans, and you're not gonna be able to do that if you make such a drastic rewrite. And yes, making the Skrulls associated with Thor is drastic, considering how the Skrulls are mostly associated with the Fantastic Four.

Anyway, seeing the rumored plot has me interested. Loki using the Cosmic Cube to bring in Skrulls is an interesting way of tying the movies together while creating a threat for our new band of heroes to face. Hopefully this can be executed well.

Yeah, it just seems like the Skrulls go with the Fantastic Four, the Kree go with the Avengers, and the Shi'ar go with the X-Men. That's how it works.

Doing the Kree-Skrull War in a movie that's also going to be the origin of the Avengers to me feels like overkill. You'd not only have to tie in this disparate band of heroes together into one narrative, you'd be also chucking in an ancient conflict between two alien races, both sides also having Loads And Loads Of Characters. It just seems a bit too much to throw in what is basically an origin story for the Avengers.

I agree. Kree-Skrull War is an awesome event to adapt, but not now. No way in hell does it work for the first movie. Maybe the second, but not the first.

If they're Marvel Comics fans, than they should be used to villains associated with particular heroes showing up in another hero's story.

I understand that. Hell, the Skrulls are usually tied in with the Avengers when the Fantastic Four aren't around. However, what you were suggesting was rewriting the Skrulls into Thor enemies, and that's not gonna fly. You could say "Oh, the Skrulls have had a long bitter rivalry with Asgard for centuries!", but you're gonna get a lot of comic fans crying "BULLSHIT!!"

Or you could say centuries ago these creatures briefly landed on Earth, the Vikings encountered them and thus the Norse Gods know of them. Sort of a "I have heard of these things before... hundreds of years ago, they appeared, but haven't been seen since they were fought off, and we thus forgot about them..." sort of thing.

Not something that happened in the comics, I'm sure, but also not a major rewrite of canon and something that's easy to explain.

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Or the same principle, only they once invaded Asgard. And probably quickly learned it was a bad idea, yes.

and , I like the thinking but I wouldn't use those examples. The Hercules tie-in for Secret Invasion did reveal a Skrull God and Goddess. That could be an interesting way to tie it in.

Natalie Portman set to appear in Avengers movie.

Please, Joss! Try to get Summer Glau a role in this movie! Natalie and Summer in a movie together..... a nerd's dream!

First Avengers pic!....are of chairs. Huh.

http://www.dailyblam.com/news/2011/05/12/scoop-new-details-about-shields-presence-in-marvel-studios-the-avengers

More info about the movie, and SHIELD's involvement.

Imagine if this was directed by Chris Nolan.

Thor would turn out to be Loki all along and the Loki we saw get defeated was a clone designed to make everyone believe he is dead which goes to Earth to steal the Cosmic Cube. The Hulk would be an avatar of pure rage like the Joker was of chaos. Thor would be locked up in a Lotus-Eater Machine that Tony has to go into to get him out.

The over arching plot of course would have something to do with Order vs Chaos.

It would certainly be interesting.

. . .it also would be almost perfectly unsuited to being an Avengers movie.

Exactly. Which is why I think it would be interesting to see.

But seriously, I would prefer someone other than Joss to make this. He's going to make Black Widow the most important. I want the directors of the first Iron Man to do it. That movie was good.

Out of the concerns I have about the Avengers movie, Joss Whedon making Black Widow the most important character is certainly not one of them. It's a pretty simplistic way of looking at things. He might give the character something to actually do, but that's not a bad thing, is it?

Let's look at his track record, shall we?

Everything he does he puts plenty of emphasis on an action girl of some sort. Guess who the action girl in this film is?

The Wasp?

She-Hulk?

Yeah, when the action girl the protagonist, smart guy, she's part of an ensemble cast with probably heavy emphasis on Steve, Tony, Bruce, and Thor and probably some defining moment for Natasha and Clint, I'm pretty sure Joss Whedon isn't an idiot.

Angel had much more emphasis on the male characters, and River's Action Girl status is distorted by the movie. Let's not exaggerate.

Very well. He's just not my choice for this sort of thing.

This. Thank you.