Dragon Ball Z Abridged

i think your just reaching

It's a joke guys, do we really have to turn it into a power level debate.

The answer is probably yes, but it's nice to be wrong in a while.

I don't think the joke makes sense but, honestly, it's just a joke that fell flat. There's really no reason to keep defending/explaining why it doesn't work.

I guess it doesn't make much sense, but I got what they were going for (Vegeta putting Krillin into a tight spot) so I still found it funny.

Me too.

It doesn't matter what Krillin meant. Vegeta thought he was selling him short, and Krillin realized he was screwed no matter what. That's the important thing.

Goku is good at training. He went from a lot weaker than Vegeta to on par with the Ginyu force in. However many days it took to reach Namek.

Training with Goku tends to lead to pretty good results. Krillin would know.

The real joke is that Krillin was going to claim that Goku was fourth.

He remembers the pecking order after all. With Kami fused with Picollo, one is Mr. Popo, two is Mr. Popo's censored.

Goku and Vegeta spent three years training (in preparation for the Androids). Vegeta started out weaker than Goku and yet ended up stronger than him.

Also, in your example Goku was abusing zenkai.

It's not a very good idea to use one isolated example

edited 27th Aug '16 12:55:44 AM by Saiga

Wait, is Vegeta as he is now stronger than Goku after the Ro Sa T? I'm honestly curious because I thought Goku was stronger afterwards,

No. Goku is stronger after he leaves the room.

Saiga's referring to the three years training for the Androids' arrival. Goku was much more powerful than Vegeta when Trunks arrived, but three years later, Vegeta makes short work of Android 19 - an adversary that was giving Goku trouble even before his heart disease started kicking in.

edited 28th Aug '16 4:43:29 PM by TobiasDrake

I thought 19 was only giving Goku issues because of the heart problems.

Yeah, only reason Goku didn't immediately curb stomp 19 was because the heart virus kicked in. We really have nothing to suggest that Vegeta was stronger than Goku at the time 19 and 20 attacked.

The only reason Goku was having trouble was because of the heart disease but Goku still says that Vegeta is stronger than him after he wakes up.

Edit: Or maybe Piccolo says that Vegeta is stronger than Goku after seeing his battle with 19. Either way, Vegeta being stronger than Goku at that time is stated to be true.

edited 28th Aug '16 4:52:08 PM by LSBK

Yeah, that's it. I misremembered; Goku is acknowledged as having trouble with the heart disease as early as when they arrive at the field to fight on; he's noted as breathing unusually heavy upon landing.

It's when he wakes up that he acknowledges Vegeta being stronger than him.

However, it should also warrant noting that this doesn't prove Vegeta is better at training either. Vegeta spent three years in Gravity Chambers and such working solely on strengthening himself and achieving Super Saiyan, while Goku was training with Piccolo and Gohan; a pair far beneath his level, which means they likely got more from the training than he did.

Piccolo certainly did. His power skyrockets in those three years.

"Better at training" is such a nebulous concept that there's not really any way to determine it without just putting them both in a room to train together and seeing who reaps superior results.

edited 28th Aug '16 4:57:25 PM by TobiasDrake

So Vegeta and Trunks are about on the same level when it comes to training, then.

That makes sense.

Trunks received only basic training from Gohan before the latter died, and Vegeta didn't even start training at all until the Android Saga.

Goku however, while not as powerful as Vegeta until Namek, has been receiving training from one powerful (by the standards of the time) master after another.

Vegeta learned to fight through experience on one battlefield after another. Goku was taught to fight, and how to improve his fighting ability through years of training.

Worlds Strongest Abridged review.

Episode 53 review.

Episode 54 review.

She's right in her estimation that not understanding the context behind the Cell Games kinda hurts.

Cell is, in essence, the Final-Exam Boss. He's a walking clip show. A culmination of everything that Goku ever did. As a Red Ribbon Army creation with the cells of Piccolo, Vegeta, and Frieza (plus Goku himself and King Cold for good measure), he embodies every serious conflict Goku's ever been a part of.

The Cell Games are how Cell works the Tenkaichi Budokai into his role as a living, nefarious summary of Son Goku's life.

edited 29th Aug '16 7:46:15 AM by TobiasDrake

I'm still at a complete loss for why anyone thinks Chi Chi has a defensible point at this stage.

It's funny because this episode shows that Gohan's first reaction to seeing her die is "Oh thank god!". I mean, how much do you have to mess up a child for it to resent you so much?

Oh, it's pretty easy, really. All you have to do is abuse your parental authority to make the child's life confirm to your wishes.

My mom was like that. Breaking off ties with her was one of the best decisions I've made. Children do not, in fact, owe their parents any more love or respect than they've earned during the time they had absolute control over your life.

Well, it's not defensible in any rational way, but people don't tend to look at things like this completely rationally.

I find expecting people to act rationally is an irrational stance.

Because Gohan is a Child Soldier and that's not cool.

In fact, I would wager a lot of people consider militarizing children and sending them into life-or-death situations to suffer and bleed for whatever cause to be pretty abhorrent behavior. Most Kid Heroes get to sidestep that by being the heroes either because their parents are absent or in spite of their wishes, but Goku and Piccolo have been deliberately honing this child into a finely-tuned murder machine and that rubs a lot of people the wrong way.

edited 30th Aug '16 7:05:09 AM by TobiasDrake