Dragon Ball Z Abridged

I AM THE HYPE

Now that's a pagetopper.

edited 3rd Jun '15 6:53:07 AM by SonOfSharknado

So they're already recording the next episode. It's surprising how quick they're able to script these episodes.

I'm not apologizing for the quick pace, I just wonder how long they can keep it up.

Humans are on Saiyans' level. Krillin exceeds the level of just about any Saiyan in history that is not Goku, Vegeta, or their progeny. All they're missing is an unreasonable circumstantial power-up to rocket one or two select individuals into god-killing range - and they already have that, considering Androids 17 and 18 are human.

Humans created the Gravity Chambers, the Infinite Energy generators, even a Time Machine. Humans invented the Kamehameha, the Taiyoken, the Kienzan, the Kikoho, etc. Humans conquered the mighty Oozaru, a creature that has scoured countless planets of life, in less than an hour of encountering it by treating it like a Puzzle Boss instead of a physical challenge.

The advantage humans have is intelligence, cleverness, and creativity. For them to have a fair shake, Toriyama just needs to emphasize this more. I wouldn't want them to, like, unlock a secret genetic inheritance that allows Krillin to become a Super Human with a battle power of 8 billion. If they do get a power-up, it should be something they created, just like the Androids were.

edited 3rd Jun '15 8:34:18 AM by TobiasDrake

That's very true. Humans were often very clever and dealt with various threats by being smart. Hell even Goku learned unconventional thinking from them.

One might even argue that this is precisely WHY Goku and Vegeta are so exceptional: they aren't just Saiyan warriors, they're Saiyan warriors supported by human ingenuity. Where would they be if they never had a Gravity Chamber to train in? If Goku had never learned a single human technique?

edited 3rd Jun '15 8:34:33 AM by TobiasDrake

So they have human ingenuity and Saiyan endurance and will to fight?

The best of both worlds!

And Gohan is literally the best of both worlds. I just wish more emphasis had been placed on his mixed heritage giving him Saiyan strength with human intelligence and creativity, rather than "His mixed heritage makes him SUPER strong."

edited 3rd Jun '15 8:38:17 AM by TobiasDrake

Didn't Vegeta learn to sense energy from the humans?

Did Piccolo surpass Android 16 in this saga?

Vegeta learned that ki-sensing was a thing because the humans and Goku were capable of doing it. Then he taught himself to do it offscreen while recovering from his humiliating defeat on Earth, not unlike when Goku taught himself the Kamehameha or bukujutsu by just imitating what he's seen other characters do. Saiyans learn fast.

After training in the Room of Spirit and Time, Piccolo was about equal to or greater than Semi-Perfect Cell. Given how effortlessly SP Cell demolished 16, it stands to reason that yes, Piccolo surpassed 16.

edited 3rd Jun '15 9:07:09 AM by TobiasDrake

Piccolo's final strength is left vague. Just weaker than Perfect Cell.

edited 3rd Jun '15 9:37:21 AM by Lionheart0

Remind me again,the Chamber's weakness is that the door will somehow vanish if you stay in too long,and there's not enough food for a long stay,right?

If it weren't for the door thing,Piccolo would have a blast with the Chamber.Seems to have a constant water supply.

Yeah. I think it's four days that you're allowed in total?

I don't really get the Room of Spirit and Time. It's supposed to be a more intense form of training, so intense that it never came up before because the one time Goku attempted it as a kid, it almost killed him. Emphasis on the "almost." It's manageable enough that Goku was able to withstand it with a battle power in the 200-300 range, yet intense enough that the Super Saiyans of the Cell Saga were able to get a massive increase in their power from training in it.

And all we're told of these remarkably flexible conditions is that it has 10x Earth's gravity, a feature that was obsoleted before the protagonists even got to Namek.

I'm not sure I understand how a 10x gravity chamber is able to produce better results than the 300x gravity chamber Vegeta was using without being so intense as to immediately cause Critical Existence Failure to Goku as a kid.

edited 3rd Jun '15 9:49:02 AM by TobiasDrake

It's magic

Maybe it keeps changing conditions depending on how hard you train.

10gs is the "at peace" setting.

There's also the time expansion feature. Freeza could get his 4 months of training in there in the span of 8 hours.

Goku has nearly been killed more than Vegeta and more severely. Being killed by a heart attack has to do something since Saiyans only get stronger everytime they almost die.

Considering the entire Android and Cell Sagas are based on a massive Retcon, I try not to let it bother me.

edited 3rd Jun '15 10:09:56 AM by Lionheart0

You're supposed to only be able to stay in the time chamber for 2 days before the door out vanishes forever but by the Buu Saga characters became powerful enough to circumvent this rule by using Vice Shout.

Essentially, the time chamber can be used indefinitely now.

Provided you know how to get the right signal.

Doesn't the time chamber also have really thin air and a thing where it gets really hot and really cold?

And Goku didn't last a full day as a kid, so.

edited 3rd Jun '15 10:25:06 AM by unnoun

Hm.

Why is Goku still the only one who knows the Kaioken, considering he's one of the only one of the main cast who wouldn't actually use it?

Like, if Piccolo knew the Kaioken, he would be semi-useful again.

Can't Krillin use it or am I thinking of some game storyline?

Because Yamcha mispronounced it.

Kaioken is supposedly hard to learn or something.

I seem to recall some flame pillars appearing in the Chamber,but I think that was just filler Trunks being a drama queen.