Dragon Ball Z Abridged

You know what would have been a better plan? Not letting him have the energy and trying to find him another way. But, in fairness to the Supreme Kai, it was only a small amount of energy they let him take. The overwhelming majority of energy for Buu's revival came out of Vegeta and Goku beating the crap out of each other in a mutually idiotic moment of complete and utter stupidity for both of them.

Like many great triumphs of the villains in Dragon Ball, Majin Buu was revived because Saiyans are f*cking morons.

edited 18th Oct '13 3:29:46 PM by TobiasDrake

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Well, I'm pretty sure Goku was against the fight from the start. And seeing as Vegeta's a bit of an ass... I suppose Goku could have tried ending it quickly with SSJ 3, but that robably wouldn't have changed anything, at best.

Actually, depending on the mechanics of how the energy drain worked, it could have changed everything. IIRC, Majin Buu only receives energy when the enemy fighter takes damage; I recall Babidi being dismayed over his minions getting utterly shattered without landing a hit because he was gaining nothing from those fights, but then pleased over Dabura wailing on Gohan.

If I'm remembering correctly, Goku powering up to SSJ 3 and shutting Vegeta down hard would have deprived Buu of getting any of the energy he got off their fight. Buu never would have hatched, and Babidi's plan would be strangled in its crib.

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The energy stolen from Gohan alone managed to net Babidi roughly half of what he needed to free Buu.

There is the thing about SSJ 3 reducing the time he has left on Earth. Perhaps that also played a role in not using it against Vegeta, in addition to wanting an equal fight*

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No, it would've changed everything.

That is correct. Goku turning SS 3 would've let him beat Vegeta in half a second. He could then proceed to slaughter Babidi and Dabra and throw Buu's ball into the sun at his own leisure. Instead, he fought to free Majin Buu, abandoned everyone, and demanded that two seven year olds clean up the mess he made, even though he had the ability to stop it many times. Some time later, said seven year olds are killed, and Goku still refuses to use the methods available to him to clean up the mess, because "that's not fun enough".

He managed to use it for several minutes against Fat Buu. He wouldn't even need five seconds of it to beat Vegeta.

Seriously, why does Goku hate Goten so much?

The kid is conceived, and then Goku goes away on a business trip. He doesn't come back for seven years, and then when he does, spends his time with other men, before he runs off to try himself against some strong, hard men in a dungeon. Then the only thing he does do with his son is say "you're not good enough, go get together with another little boy, and fight against one of the strongest things in the universe." Keep in mind, the kid couldn't even keep up with similar kids his own age until weeks previously. Then when it finally seems his son has died, after he spent some time beating up on the kid's body, he starts taking responsibility for things.

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Really, it's just endemic of a major problem with Dragon Ball: by the end of the Frieza Saga, Goku is the strongest warrior in the universe, and the characters just keep ramping up their power from there. The Cell Saga only featured a little bit of this, but the Buu Saga was full of it: the protagonists are so far ahead of any possible resistance that in order to justify continued drama, they actually have to help the antagonists become a threat, indirectly and sometimes even directly.

• GOKU: Oh, no! The villain's here!
• BUU: Behold my power!
• GOKU: Actually, I could vaporize you by flexing too hard.
• BUU: Aww, but I wanted to be awesome.
• GOKU: Oh, no, don't worry, um...here, power up a bunch, VEGETA, pick a fight with me.
• VEGETA: I AM INSANE AND EVIL FOR NO REASON!!!
• BUU: Muwahaha!
• VEGETA: And now we will fight!
• BUU: I am so threatening!
• GOKU: Yeah, that's still not doing it. Umm...
• VEGETA: OH NO! I killed myself for no reason!
• GOKU: And I must fade back into the world of the dead! You'll have to fight our preteen children.
• BUU: Well, that's incredibly patronizing.

*Five Minutes Later*

• BUU: I CAN'T EVEN BEAT THE F*CKING KIDS!!!
• GOKU: Gohan, quick, stare into space blankly!
• GOHAN: Durrrr
• GOKU: Now eat him!
• BUU: Your power level is mine! MUWAHAHA!
• GOKU: Oh no! Finally a threat worthy of our combined power! FUSION!
• VEGITTO: ...or, maybe not, judging by the hilarious roflstomp you're getting.
• BUU: Was that REALLY NECESSARY?!
• VEGITTO: Sorry. Here, I'll undo it for you.

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Kai Abridged Season 4 is going to be great.

But it's spelled 'no R-A-I-S-I-N'.

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Almost everything in that description is inaccurate.

Soon after the death of Mecha Freeza, Goku was never again the strongest in the universe, aside from a VERY brief period at the beginning of the Buu Saga.

Goku could not kill Fat Buu by flexing. They seemed pretty even, and Goku was sweating bullets after their short fight.

Buu was released by Vegeta, but was already strong enough to beat everyone after hatching except SS 3 Goku.

Vegeta did not kill himself for no reason, but because Fat Bu was far too strong for them, and his most powerful attack, and only hope of winning, involved suicide.

Goku fading back made no difference really. Super Buu would swat him like a bug, so all hope would still rest in Gotenks.

Buu fighting Gotenks wasn't patronizing, since Gotenks is faaaaaaaar stronger than Goku and can kill him with a threatening glare.

Buu didn't need to absorb Gohan, he was already faaaaaaaaar stronger than Goku. He only needed to absorb Gohan to get rid of Gohan.

Super Buu did beat both Gotenks and Gohan. Only massive PIS and several ass pulls prevented his victory from being final.

edited 19th Oct '13 9:16:47 PM by sockpuppet1

I still see no logical reason for why Gotenks was as strong as he was. Super Saiyan 3 just because? And then there's the fact that the kids just happened to both be Super Saiyans ridiculously easily. And once again, Goten couldn't even fly a month ago!

edited 19th Oct '13 9:28:04 PM by wanderlustwarrior

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Goten.

The Buu Saga had a ton of shonen power-ups. A few too many. Gotenks falls in with all of that. It was just an arbitrary power-up to make him the strongest thing ever until he lost and it was the next person in line's turn.

Gotenks knew what SS 3 looked and felt like,a nd had a full year to work out how to do it, yeah?

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Oh, wait, there was more HTC that arc?

But still, they made literally unbelievable progress in a short time.

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Not a year, but a few months.

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I asked Frieza and he said it was about ten minutes.

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Frieza doesn't know what a minute is.

To win, you need to adapt, and to adapt, you need to be able to laugh away all the restraints. Everything holding you back.

Yes.

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why did Gero choose the energy-absorbing model for himself as opposed to the infinite energy model he used for 17 and 18? Or why not both?

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Same reason he designed 19 to be fat and impossible to take seriously.

Because he's a nincompoop.

Apparently the infinite-energy models are difficult to control, which justifies 19, but I don't think he has to fear himself betraying himself. Unless it was just so 19 doesn't start asking questions or something.

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Modifying himself to that extent can't have been simple. Maybe it's just a matter of practical limitations? Like, the infinite energy model is significantly harder to install, and trying to off both simultaneously was just beyond him?

I think he just didn't have the technology when he adapted himself and 19 into androids, but was able to perfect it when he converted 17 and 18. And then he just didn't feel like putting it in himself.

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The numbers pretty strongly imply that 17 and 18 were created first.

Maybe the perpetual energy model is constant, but can't increase in power.

Or maybe the absorption model was made to be especially cruel when he took his revenge on Goku.

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