Dragon Ball Z Abridged

How much stronger is up for debate, but he's at least strong enough for Goku to be completely terrified of him and stand absolutely zero chance against him.

Hmm. I wonder how he compares to Bills then.

He's nothing to Bills. Gohan was able to wreck Super Buu, Bills was able to wreck Gohan.

I still find the idea of Super Buu flicking away a similarly powered Spirit Bomb while end Buu could not to be ridiculous, honestly. If there was that big of a gap between them, they shouldn't really have needed the Spirit Bomb. Hell, if there was, then Gohan would've just won alone, or would've been the only person who needed to contribute to the Bomb.

edited 23rd Sep '13 9:16:51 AM by wanderlustwarrior

They could have easily brought Gohan back, but seeing him stomp Boo effortlessly wouldn't be dramatic and wouldn't make Goku the hero. Goku even suggests it, but Vegeta wants the humans to actually help out. And the Genki dama only takes genki, not someone's full ki.

maybe Super Buu at his maximum power (I can't remember if that would be with Gotenks, or with Gohan, since he never had both at once) could have survivied it. Not sure.

Kid Buu was stronger than base Super Buu, right?

He was atomized by Vegeta blowing himself up, though. And then the atoms came together.

Couldn't have just used the English words, could you, Saiga?

But really, that just sounds like an idiotic plan. Thanks, Vegeta.

Super Buu is stronger than Kid Buu, even in base form. Goku actually stands a chance against Kid Buu, whereas he's outright terrified of Super Buu.

And I have no idea what signifies "death" for Buu, since he's completely amorphous and as far as I know we're not outright destroying matter. I assumed he's primarily made of molecules, though, and having said molecules atomized into, well, atoms would no longer "be" Buu and thus kill him if it were all broken. Or he's just magic and it has its breaking point, I dunno.

Suggests Earthlings should help out; fight is with Saiyans, and ignores the half-Earthling son.

edited 23rd Sep '13 3:53:41 PM by Anomalocaris20

Should've just turned him into a cookie.

Yes, Super Buu IS that much stronger. Possibly thousands of times stronger.

edited 23rd Sep '13 4:52:06 PM by cpfmfAn

Shen Long is scared of Bills. Spoilers, lol.

So... Is Mister Popo scared of Bills, or is Bills scared of Mister Popo?

Pecking order, bitch.

Mr. Popo is the twelfth god of destruction.

Mr. Popo is the 0th God of Destruction. All the other ones fear him.

Buuhan is powerful enough to throw a tantrum that nearly destroyed the very fabric of reality itself. I'm not sure how that stacks against Bills, but outside Battle of the Gods, it's the most powerful display we've ever seen.

That was only in filler, though, for what it's worth.

I don't doubt Buu's capacity to do that, though.

Bills is more powerful than Buu, though, I'm pretty sure.

edited 23rd Sep '13 5:34:57 PM by Anomalocaris20

This is a point I made over in the main Dragon Ball thread a while back, but I'll make it again here: it's impossible to tell who's stronger than who because ultimately there are only three power levels in Dragon Ball, and they fluctuate sporadically.

1 - Too weak to fight the villain. 2 - Strong enough to fight the villain. 3 - Too powerful for the villain to fight you.

From the moment Vegeta first tried to explode the Earth, power levels ceased to exist, and it really just became a crapshoot for who's winning a fight. Bills, Buu, Cell, Frieza, and Vegeta are all equal, because none of them can do anything that's any more impressive than any other. The most they can bring to it is who's wailing on the protagonist at a given moment. Similarly, Super Saiyan transformations are basically just keys to unlock the actual fight, get you to Power Level 2 for this particular event.

Kid Buu's ultimate demonstration of power was blowing up the Earth. To quote Abridged Vegeta, "I'm not impressed! I can do that too!" Frieza blew up a planet much larger. Erego, Frieza > Buu?

Really, trying to keep track of who is stronger than who is silly, especially with the numbers thrown around. If Vegeta starts boasting that he's 10,000 times stronger than Frieza ever was, he's vocally masturbating. Power levels are meaningless.

edited 23rd Sep '13 5:43:05 PM by TobiasDrake

Shenlong got blown into meaty chunks by Demon King Piccolo, lest we forget, so that doesn't say much.

edited 23rd Sep '13 7:14:25 PM by Enlong

He's still usually able to remain stoic and imposing even around beings that could literally destroy him with the raise of an eyebrow. Bills was intimidating for reasons beyond his raw power, I imagine.

Agreed

Damn, I need to watch the original Dragon Ball.

Piccolo: Nobody watched Dragon Ball lets go!

edited 23rd Sep '13 7:31:44 PM by Tomodachi

Bills would be able to beat Super Buu. Pretty sure.

x5 Buu pushed back a Spirit Bomb thrown by a Weak Goku, using only enough strength not to strain > Freeza failing to push back a Spirit bomb thrown by a weak Goku, using all of his strength to no effect

Goku had to be at full energy to be able to force the Spirit Bomb back on Kid Buu for it to work, so I do believe that Super Buu could probably just as easily send it back on him if they tried that.

edited 23rd Sep '13 8:15:50 PM by randomness4

Once again I'm pretty much with Tobias. Power levels are bullshit, and "feat equivalence" gets ridiculous without considering every single variable. And (at least with the villains) you have to take what they say about their own power levels with a grain of salt because just about every major villain has their head up their ass.

It wouldn't have mattered if Goku was at full power AND in SS 3 AND launched the bomb at Super Buu. It simply wouldn't have done anything, Super Buu wasn't on that level.

First of all, he can't use the Spirit Bomb in any Super Saiyan state.

Second, I'm not sure we can really gauge how other forms of Buu would have responded to that spirit bomb. It was the most powerful version of the attack used in the series. Kid Buu was able to push it back, but when it actually detonated, it annihilated him despite his usual regeneration abilities. I don't think it's a question of how strong the blast is, but rather how easily he can push it back and prevent it from detonating.

...actually, a question. Is the whole "the Spirit Bomb can be bounced by someone of pure heart" a real thing, or just in the dub? Because that might be a reason why Kid Buu (pure evil, seperated from any restraint or morality inherent in his other forms) was able to push the bomb back at all.

How strong the blast is totally matters. Otherwise Buu could just sit there and tank it without taking any damage. And Super Buu, being many times stronger than Pure Buu, certainly can.