Sid Meier's Civilization Series (Main Titles)

Yay, Korea's theme is Arirang again! I love that song.

edited 6th Dec '17 9:59:11 AM by KnownUnknown

In addition to the new civs, it looks like they'll also be showing off the new world wonders before launch.

Kilwa Kisiwani grants bonus envoys and boosts yields from City States of which you are the Suzerain.

There will be 8 new world wonders and 7 new natural wonders in total. The former may have already been identified:

• Statue of Liberty
• St. Basil's Cathedral
• Temple of Artemis
• Archive of the Indies
• A giant Buddha, possibly the Great Buddha of Kamakura
• A polar research station, possibly Amundsen–Scott South Pole Station (though, this one could turn out to be a snow-exclusive district of some kind)
• It hasn't been seen in any screenshots, but Château Frontenac was spotted in Rise and Fall's title card right next to the Statue of Liberty.

As for the latter, Mt. Roraima (4 tiles) and Delicate Arch (1 tile) have been seen, as well as an unidentified 4-tile tundra wonder.

edited 8th Dec '17 1:13:28 PM by Blueeyedrat

Looks like we got an early leak of the Netherlands, featuring Queen Wilhelmina and polders. Interestingly, the polders are actually being built on water tiles this time around.

edited 9th Dec '17 4:49:11 PM by ABNDT

Aww, what a cuddly huggable old aunt she is! I like that they're mixing in a few modern leaders. I'm still holding my breath that they'll use Ataturk as Turkey's leader instead of going for another Ottoman sultan.

I would love to see these factions leaders appearing in the expansion:

Malaysia: Tunku Abdul Rahman, the First Prime Minister of Malaysia.

India: Emperor Akbar of the Mughals

Canada: Prime Minister Pierre Trudeau, the father of Canada's current PM, Justin Trudeau.

After the Seondeok reveal, her design got some backlash over looking more South Asian than Korean. Looks like Firaxis took the criticism to heart.

I'd like Chrétien just to have a trait called "Shawinigan Handshake"

Though if Firaxis added Canada, I'd figure they might pick Mackenzie King as leader. He's the longest serving Prime Ministers, was PM during both the Great Depression and WW 2.

Besides the joke above, not sure who I'd like to represent Canada in Civilization.

edited 11th Dec '17 8:50:39 PM by Ghilz

As far as Canadian leaders go, I think Pearson could work with some kind of diplomacy bonus.

I have nothing against Canada, but both America & Canada before there is even a single native American civ? That would sound wrong.

Edit: Nvm, you were presumably talking about this game. Ignore me. Yeah, realized that as soon as I hit send.

Just a Zerg Rush of Canadarms sweeping across the skies.

edited 12th Dec '17 12:11:54 AM by Unsung

i think they meant in civ VI

France before the Gauls, that sounds wrong!

(It's fun shooting down other people's country when you're not from there)

Let's just say that the historical coverage of European civilizations is much broader than the American' would be were Canada added before any Native civ.

Give or take a few years, Gorgo and Pericles are from -500, Cleopatra from 0, Trajan from 100, Harald Hardrada from 1000, Saladin and Fredrick from 1100, Jadwiga from 1300, Philippe II & Catherine de'Medici from 1500, Peter from 1700, Victoria from 1800.

In America you have Monty from 1400, Pedro II from 1800, and Teddy from 1900, the latter two coming from colonial civilizations.

So yeah, I think as a European I can criticize the choice of a modern Canadian leader as the next North American leader. I am also pretty sure many Native American tribes were from Canada, right? That would be the rough equivalent of picking Gauls for France - only Brittany is more or less an actually gallic part of the country, everywhere else was conquered by germanic tribes.

edited 12th Dec '17 6:58:36 AM by Julep

Yet not seeing you ask Japan be removed so the Ainu can be represented. Or Criticising Australia over the Aborigines. Also, Canada has never gotten to be a Civ. Native Americans have. So yeah, I'm gonna keep rooting for Canada.

Plus it's not like Canada would prevent Iroquois from making a comeback. There's plenty of Civs that occupy overlapping areas.

edited 12th Dec '17 7:07:34 AM by Ghilz

She looks like a really friendly aunt or something.

SHE CAN CREATE LAND WHAT THE FUCK

A few other things I noticed:

• Government Plaza unlocks at State Workforce.
• De Zeven Provincien may get a +7 bonus against districts, but it suffers a -17 penalty against other naval units.
• Statue of Liberty unlocks at Civil Engineering.

With the exception of being District Spam heavy (over a year playing this game and I still can't quite get that down), she sounds like another leader whose characteristics are right up my gameplay alley.

...you haven't read many of my posts, did you? Pretty sure I have mentioned before that I'd rather not have Oceania represented by modern Australia. It is just that here, the topic was North

As for Japan, I do not know much about its history (not as much as I do Australia or America), so I haven't commented for lack of knowledge on the matter. But Civ VI already has an overrepresentation of European civs on their own continent, plus a number of former-colonies-turned-independent (Australia, the US, Brazil)), so yet another one formerly Western European civ having colonized another continent is not what I think the game needs at the moment.

I am not against Canada as a civ, especially as it has not been seen before. I just think that it should come once North America is properly represented in its diversity - and Native Americans shine by their absence at the moment.

Like Native South Americans, mind you. Or Polynesians. Like, I enjoy the Netherlands as they are shown, but I think they shouldn't have been a priority either (although more female leaders are, at the very least, extremely welcome).

Personally I find it a bit odd that we all start in 4000 BC with civilizations that didn't appear until thousands of years later, but then players might have trouble identifying with them. You can only take things so far. A more historically accurate treatment might give each civilization a chance of reinventing itself with each shift of Era, changing leaders and names, but I can't see that going over well with players.

edited 12th Dec '17 11:10:51 AM by Fighteer

There is an easy fix: they can just introduce alternate leaders from different eras - many civs lasted for several hundred of years.

Only Greece has alternate leaders (and they lived at the same time), but I'd be down for many civs getting alternate leads. I assume it's quite easier to create an alternate leader than it is to add an entirely new civ. But maybe the announcement will come soon?

Also, "reinventing" might be a bit strange. "As a Huron, come modern time, you can reinvent yourself by having Westerners come and genocide your people to steal your land. Do you want that?"

edited 12th Dec '17 11:17:10 AM by Julep

Quibble: they were Easterners to the Native Americans, relatively speaking — unless you mean Western Europe. Regardless, the mechanic there would be post-colonial revolution, also an un-fun mechanic when it happened in past games. Your great empire suddenly splits itself in two...

Crusader Kings (and the various Paradox grand strategy games in general) does something like that, having cultures and nations be reinvented as they grow, or take various turns in focus and advancement.

On the other hand, the game heavily encourages you to reinvent along historical lines.

A game that has national growth along the lines of the way Civ V and VI do religious growth (that is, in the Classical Era you have a certain set of perks and ability, then when you hit medieval your nation is reinvented with new leaders/aesthetic/music and gains an additional set of perks and abilities, and so on) would be interesting.

Sounds a lot like the "Ryse and Fall" mod for Civ IV. If you haven't played it, it takes place on an Earth map, and the only civs you can play as at a 4000 BC start are the old river valley civs like Sumeria and Egypt and India, then whenever the right year rolls around the other civs spawn in their historical start locations. The mod also had a "stability" mechanic that gave cities a chance of splitting off to form their own civ, something that was especially likely to happen if it was time for a civ to be born in lands you controlled - for example, any New World colonies on the East Coast would be extremely likely to break off and become America in 1776. And when that did happen, the player would be given the option to take over that new civ and lead it against their old one. Finally, the leaders and names for civs would change over the years, so India would be represented by Asoka at the game's start and Gandhi at the game's end.

If you have played that mod, you already know all this and reading the above paragraph was a complete waste of time.

edited 12th Dec '17 12:27:41 PM by Tacitus