Series/Supernatural

I did that recently. Season 2 was SO

DAMN

GOOD

Damn, you can tell just how tired these guys are of this trainwreck. They aren't just phoning in, they are faxing in.

Bleh. Gotta pay the bills somehow.

They should just say fuck all to plot and have the whole thing be an improv sketch between the remaining existing cast. Those kinds of bizzarro episodes really were what made Supernatural unique.

"plot" lol

The thing is, you see, that this finale ended with an apocalypse of such scale that probably won't leave any room for Monsters Of The Week or bizzaro episodes next season. A season which, logically, shouldn't warrant the usual 23 episodes.

Ergo, the showrunners have written themselves into a corner. Again. Unless they pull a Laviathans-esque cop out, of course.

edited 25th May '15 8:51:36 PM by LogoP

The leviathans were the MOST DISAPPOINTING THINGS IN THE WORLD.

I WANTED GIANT WORLD EATING SEA DRAGONS D@#N YOU

edited 25th May '15 8:52:47 PM by blkwhtrbbt

I'm noticing a pretty uniform reaction. The show was so fucking good for five years. It had occasional excellence after that, and making the "well, what now?" in the aftermath a plot was a great idea. But now It's a parody of itself!

This constant back of forth of "I can't TRUST you anymore" has gotten old.The really terrible treatment of female characters (Lisa and Ben, Charlie)...and oh, yeah, making a huge deal about Dean murdering an innocent kid when he's already murdered someone who was close to innocent (Amy tthe Kitsune)

Yes, but this kid was innocent and human.

He was also kind of nerdy.

To be frank, if the next season isn't the last, I will be very disappointed. If it ends with anything other the end of the world as the result of the brother's fucking moronicy, I will be EXTREMELY disappointed.

I suppose if the brothers somehow create a stable time loop and turn out to be god, that'd be okay. But only because I love time loops.

edited 25th May '15 9:44:45 PM by TheyCallMeTomu

This show is hideously inconsistent with how much value nonhuman life holds as well. Many episodes have the "monsters are people too and can control themselves" theme. Others? "KILL THEM ALL."

Killing Amy was the point I just stopped liking Dean, though. And by the same logic, this kid still cut someone open. And his reasoning was no less a justification than Amy targeting bad people to save her son.

And let's be real. If Dean had to, he would slaughter a Kindergarten class to harvest their hearts into a protein shake if Sam needed it to survive.

Oh God, it's like watching the later seasons of Charmed all over again.

edited 25th May '15 10:50:53 PM by LogoP

Dean killing Death was one of the most ridiculous and nonsensical thing that ever happened in the show, and that's saying something. Especially since Death was only in the episode to explain the plot of next season.

The DARKNESS thing at least sounds interesting. I wonder how they'll manage to ruin it.

The first five were the best. Ranked in order of quality: 2,4,5,1,3 (with 2 and 4 switching places depending on mood). But then Kripke had a plan and general direction for the show with the one with the most exec interference being the obvious worst (and even that one is still better than most).

Part of me semi-liked the Leviathan and thought it was interesting that we did sort of see giant dragons trying to eat the world (but on a much more insidious level). S6 & 7's biggest problem was lack of structure and sometimes doing some things too soon while waiting too long on others.

But that's still far better than "no-structure" Carver who has continuity errors within his own season(s) much less the show runners beforehand. He's also so clearly not giving the writers any direction or guidelines we're pretty much watching a "canon war" happen each episode before our eyes. Seriously, I defy anyone to explain what was the over-arcing plot to S9. Hell they made Metatron a villain and can't even explain why! (uh... because he's done a few things not unlike what the boys have done?)

I think it was Dabb (DAAAAAABBBBBBBB!) who once said that he wanted to see <i>Supernatural</i> become like the American <i>Dr Who</i>. The opportunity to do that was at the close of 5, to transform the show into an anthology series with a handful of seasons following another group of protagonists on an arc.

During S8, I was kind of hoping we'd see Amy again in Purgatory, maybe helping Dean so he feels extra super bad now for killing her.

Actually... nothing against Benny, but there were a lot of old foes I would have killed to see Dean fight alongside. Like could you imagine if it was Gordon in there? (yes yes, I did)

Hah, that makes me think of the SFdebris review of Wonder Woman. Though with the S3 episode with the Changelings, they did kind of harvest a kindergarten class already...

(and let's not get into Sam taking all that blood from a hospital at the start of this season - that's probably a whole kindergarten class dead right there)

The Leviathans, generic monster name aside, had so much potential. Only for them to be reduced to buffed-up shapeshifters Due to budget storytelling limitations, apparently.

Also, the DARKNESS concept was ripped off from Hellblazer. As were many other things in the series.

The best part about the leviathans were that they were kind of billed as primordial or whatever, and then they were vulnerable to soap, so it was like "Oh, what's primordial life? Bacteria. Bacteria dies to soap." But I kind of assume that was accidental.

No actually you're right, it's almost entirely due to budget because Sera got into some trouble with the suits on S6 for breaking budget. (and to be fair, they deliberately dressed Castiel as a tribute to Hellblazer)

I'll try to remember, but I've got the S7 guide at home, I'll look it up and see if they confessed on there how "planned" it was (then again, these are also the people who said S6 was all planned and... I don't believe that for one second).

I only wish I had the huge stack of SPN magazines I used to (water damage) because that was great for seeing how things functioned through the season and while generally too fawning, once you got used to it you could tease out what the truth was and piece together the more probable picture behind things.

edited 26th May '15 12:07:07 PM by NateWinchester

So the next big thing's name is just the Darkness?Couldnt they have used something fresher?Void.C/Khaos.Is-Not.Sithis.

Ansem, Seeker of

Fits the series.

They should just ripoff Persona and call the incarnation of The Darkness Nyx or something.

Or have they already used Nyx as a name?

edited 26th May '15 12:33:53 PM by TheyCallMeTomu

I don't think so.

Call it Dog,dammit.

I mean, if they were going the bastardized Ancient greece pre-existence route, Erebus would be a good word for Darkness, but they clearly have no idea what they're doing.

Erebus?? Does that mean that S11 would be determined by A CHILDREN'S CARD GAME????

(if it is, I'll take back everything I've said about the Carver years)

MTG being the first thing you think of when you hear the name Erebus is kind of sad; shows that Erebus doesn't show up in enough media. Why no love for Erebus?

Erebus wasn't much of a big name in the original mythology. There were a handful of protogenoi more or less like him. His sister Nyx among of 'em.

Granted, though, the name "Erebus" sounds fairly ominous.

edited 26th May '15 4:57:03 PM by LogoP

Nyx is supposedly feared even by Zeus.

Progenitor gods are god tier gods, man.

Well to be fair, Erebos was in a game just a year ago (and still standard legal I think) so he's easy to remember.

Nyx had a whole set named after her.