A Song Of Ice And Fire

Isn't Nymeria's pack further north than the area Robert would've been hunting in?

Though I mean the symbolism of Robert's death being caused by a wolf eating a stag shouldn't be ignored.

Forgot about that. Nymeria is left in the Riverlands but it's not impossible to think she could've headed south and ended up in the Stormlands at one point just south of KL.

That does significantly hurt the credibility of that theory though.

Huh, I didn't realize that.

Reading Feasts again, I see some Cersei commentary about fly to Casterly Rock with the Court and crown hinself queen here,I can see she doing that in order to escape the trial, and marrying Euron here after that.

recently I perceive how a union Greyjoy-Lannister is geographically favorable since the incredible proximity between Pike and Casterly Rock/Lannisport .

Nymeria might have followed the king's convoy (for want of a better word - it's on the tip of my tongue; not retinue, but something like that) all the way to King's Landing, in the hopes of getting back with Arya, until she would've eventually given up and returned to where she was originally left, presumably in the hope that Arya might return one say to pick her up again. If that is what happened, Nymeria would also have hunted on the way there and also when she was waiting for Arya near King's Landing, so it's plausible she would've been hunting the same game as the king.

Well if you already read the Mercy chapter, it very strongly implies that Cersei won her trial. I can see her escaping in response to Aegon winning though.

It's probably not going to happen. I mean just for meta reasons, you can't put Euron and Cersei in the same space without relegating Cersei to a marginal role.

It's basically a repetition of one of the problems with what the show did to Sansa. She married Ramsay who then reduced her to a breeding machine that he beat, raped and tortured for fun.

And that's a direction where Cersei just becomes irrelevant to the larger story. And what's Jaime going to do? Rescue her? Probably not.

And well it doesn't mesh with Euron's motivation which is to become some sort of god-king. Daenerys is beyond-human and comes with dragons so it makes sense for a Valyrian fan-boy like Euron to try to marry her. (And personally, I think it's imperative that Euron remain single for when he tries to woo Daenerys.)

Cersei isn't Valyrian nor does she have dragons. She's human. The only thing she commands is the power of Casterly Rock. And does Euron care about having a larger force? Well I doubt it. He seems to be banking on the dragons being his key to amassing power not armies that he seems to be sacrificing at will.

As of right now, I'm going to say it's up to a person's interpretation.

but I really think that Greyjoy-Lannister was on Martin plans since Clash of Kings when Balon send a letter to Tyrion, after that we have new hints on Tyrion III of ASOS,also again on Feasts if I not wrong .

Oh that is utter bullshit that that happens! Is she really going to get out of it because of Clegane?

I had listen to an audiobook of A Song of Ice and Fire at work and I must admit I am enjoying it so far. It just amazes me how much was cut from TV Series such as how Danernys tried to help Viserys or even how Eddard was smarter than he seemed to be.

If that surprises you then the next books will astound you.

@GAP To be fair to the show, it's hard to convey an inner character's thoughts.

Although their portrayal of Ned is a bit more on the macho side too.

He's more soldier than traumatized lord in the show.

edited 9th Jun '17 11:06:28 PM by MadSkillz

Also, Ned's inner monologue doesn't emphasize stuff that he didn't think was important, leading the reader to falsely believe that he was right about them not being important.

You know, I kinda think that Ned would have succeeded in getting Stannis on the throne of Renly hadn't fled the capital. Then, he wouldn't have had to rely on Littlefinger for his main support.

There still would have been a war, but it probably would have been much shorter.

I agree. There are lots of little details in the books that leave room for various different scenarios (or perhaps nothing out of the ordinary happened at all), and for many (perhaps most) of them the reader will never know for sure because none of the POV characters will notice or care.

Martin said that uses the gardener method (fill the pages with details and make them grow after) that let me to think that he don't know what to do until late,maybe the slow progress of WW is because he do a lot of reread of the published books and manuscript in order to maintain the current ones coherent with past foreshadow .

I doubt that. The slow progress of the WW are primarily because they're last act villains.

Even in the outline, GRRM puts down that that WW are meant to show up in the last of book of his original trilogy after Daenerys' invasion

Interesting comments from GRRM's blog.

Ned would have likely done better if he had listened to Renly's advice and not allowed Cersei prepare her defenses after Robert's injury. His stubborn pride is what drove of his ally in Renly.

edited 15th Jun '17 6:42:13 PM by Bootlegvader

I start to think if maybe Tyrion will go to Braavos in some point,the leaked original plans mentions Tyrion having a relationship with both Sansa and Arya,because of that I think that made him cross patch with Arya is on Martin's plans, also, Tyrion mentions that want to know the Titan on ASOS,

another evidence is that Penny is from Braavos, he already have a link here .

GRRM did say that a lot of his outline is bullshit that he made up because the story he was trying sell to them needed an outline so he gave them one and he doesn't outline

researching I found this :

Martin :

I hate outlines. I have a broad sense of where the story is going; I know the end, I know the end of the principal characters, and I know the major turning points and events from the books, the climaxes for each book, but I don’t necessarily know each twist and turn along the way. That’s something I discover in the course of writing and that’s what makes writing enjoyable. I think if I outlined comprehensively and stuck to the outline the actual writing would be boring.

I new and can't post external links here but I think its true .

Not all the outlines are BS,he knows some patchs trough the history, we can see this from the amont of Foreshadow on the series .

Some of that foreshadowing ends up being nothing though because he decides to go with what he feels is a better story route.

I don't think many of his story pints are set in stone. Even the show producers have acknowledged that the ending GRRM told them might end up completely different from the ending he now sees.

I don't read Preston Jacobs' stuff but I came across this video and found it interesting:

The second most shocking story is the one where an old guy swaps bodies with a 16 year old girl only to be raped by his grandson which eads to him becoming pregnant and giving birth to his grandson's baby.

The most shocking one broke my brain.

Also I think it's really clear that GRRM named Lysa Tully after his ex-girlfriend, Lisa Tuttle, that broke up with him for his best friend.

I wonder whatever happened to Aerys Targaryen's mother, Shaera Targaryen

I read somewhere on this thread the Martin intends to subvert the final battle with the Other but if we were to speculate, how the final battle be subverted?

I'm 100% confidant the Others will be defeated, but with heavy casualties on humanity's side.

The Scouring of the Shire.

Or GRRM ends the story just as the final battle is about to begin leaving the resolution ambiguous(GRRM has done this before in his stories).

Or the Others are defeated in battle but the game of thrones continues and the civil war isn't resolved still.