A Song Of Ice And Fire

Apparently, Drogo expended all his efforts in his first night with Dany.

Also, in the book, Arianne thinks her father is disinheriting her in favor of Quentyn (his eldest son, though Arianne is his eldest child), not Trystane (who would come after Quentyn anywhere in Westeros).

"According to Archmaester Gyldayn, in the eyes of many, the council of 101 AC established an iron precedent on matters of succession: that the Iron Throne could not pass to a woman, or to a male descendant of a woman."

Huh, so under Targ rules neither Dany nor the Baratheons have claims to the throne.

Robert's claim was that he had the biggest army.

Dany's claim is that she has dragons.

'Nuff said.

Renly was right.

So it's either Aegon, or someone who takes the throne by force.

Which is solved by Dany having dragons.

That still leaves Jon in the running.

It would, if anybody knew his true parentage, and if he were legitimate. In-universe, if I'm not mistaken, about the only living person who could know that R+L=J is Howland Reed.

Incidentally, in certain Western countries in the real world, a child born during a marriage was presumed by law to be the child of the couple, even if the biological father was somebody else. Of course in Westeros, they're really big on blood relations, and the "law" is whatever the dude with the biggest army says it is.

edited 27th Apr '15 9:20:17 AM by Lawyerdude

I wonder if any septon might have married Rhaegar and Lyanna before the rebellion kicked off...

If the Faith of the Seven is supposed to be the Westerosi equivalent of the Catholic Church, then I don't think they would recognize bigamy or divorce. Since if I'm not mistaken, Elia was killed after Rhaegar died at the Trident.

Old Valyria of course recognized incestuous and polygamous marriages as valid.

x4

Besides that Jon has taken the vows of the NW.

Targaryens still took multiple wives at times by the Faith of the Seven even post-Conquest. Rules don't apply to them.

So under the IT's law, the real heir is Aegon if he's real or Jon if he's not and people find out.

Jon is legitimate according to the North under the name of Stark so that might give him a claim.

edited 27th Apr '15 1:50:35 PM by MadSkillz

Plus, bastard or not, all of the other northern lords know his name and that Ned treated him as one of his own children as much as he could.

Ok, just a worldbulding question, how this tendecy of animal=house started in westeros? they never explain this in the books dosent it?

Not directly, but we can infer that it's like the real Medieval world, where great families adopted coats of arms to represent them. Royal houses have used lions, dragons and other animals as their symbols, as well as things like flowers, coins, shells or even just shapes and colors.

You can figure where some of the families' sigils came from. Direwolves live in the North, so the Starks adopted the Direwolf. Highgarden is very fertile, so the Tyrells chose a flower. Dorne is hot and its people fight with spears, hence the sun-and-spear. The Freys built The Twins to span the river, so their symbol is their own castle. The Targaryens rode dragons and Aegon and his two sisters led the conquest, so they are a three-headed dragon.

... Most of House Mormont strongly resemble bears, so...

Only 2 of the males and Maege Mormont.

It's more likely that their sigil is a bear because they live on Bear Island.

edited 28th Apr '15 2:34:14 AM by MadSkillz

I think that, perhaps, I wasn't being entirely serious.

If I had to assume anything, maybe the Targaryen's had the Three-headed Dragon motif when they came to Westeros, and once there the "animal motif banner" became popular. Or, if they already existed before the Targaryens, maybe they just thought "You know what? I totally should have a flag with dragons on it. But like. A badass three-headed dragon. Fuck yeah."

It was definitely the latter. I doubt the Targaryens had a sigil before they came to Westeros.

iirc in the world of ice and fire, it had the symbol of House Martell come from the Dornish sun and the Rhoynish spear.

Also there are some that football references and some comic book ones. There's a green lantern house and others that are escaping me at the moment.

Justice League in Game of Thrones would be pretty interesting. And I believe there was a blue beetle.

Could you imagine a House Wayne inheriting Harrenhal? Or a tribe of Amazons appearing in Essos?

Ser Patrik of King's Mountain also has the Cowboys logo as his sigil

There's a house blackadder as well as a mention of a "Baldrick the Cunning" in TWOIAF (can't recall if he was from that House though).

There's this rather clever referencing of Gormenghast with House Peake and its members.

When Catelyn visits the Vale in book 1, she's escorted by three knights that are clearly the three stooges.

or the boy that Stannis was supose to kill to Rhilor

Edric storm....Elric...storm...bringer...

Aghhhh I hate you so much there georgie

edited 28th Apr '15 3:11:50 PM by unknowing