A Song Of Ice And Fire

Medieval Stasis is a hell of a thing.

Vincent has a point.

But I'd just like it to be noted that the Dornish do have a thick accent and I believe the Green Orphans still speak Rhoynish.

And the Wildlings speak the Old Language. Well some of them anyways like the Thenns.

eeeeeeeh! Arya is an extremely traumatized little girl that is learning to disassociate and become an assassin. An older Arya would look nothing like Arianne.

I'm not sure what Arya has done to make you think that she doesn't realize her actions hurt others.

How about running away from literally anyone that tries to help her? Whether they were using her or not, the Brotherhood Without Banners would have taken her to her family, but she just goes "No, I don't like that they don't treat me like I'm something I'm not, so I'm going to run away when they're the only thing that's keeping me safe at the moment."

edited 24th Feb '15 5:17:02 PM by theLibrarian

Staying with people that admit they are using you isn't the best course of action. Just blinding going along with people after they betray you seems like a good way to get betrayed again.

They're certainly better to be around than Sandor Clegane.

Actually she ran away out of anger but she admits that she was going back and that she needed some time to herself until she realizes that it's Sandor that grabbed her.

Also she only ran away because they were taking too long to give her back and were overly-cautious. Because they essentially went in a circle and were going to leave her in Acorn Hall for a while.

In the end that was a good thing that she wasn't given back considering what happened to her family.

edited 24th Feb '15 6:03:55 PM by MadSkillz

True.

If anything she should have made for the crannogmen. House Reed are close allies of the Starks. If it weren't for the ironborn holding Moat Cailin that would have been good, though she could have just as easily gone around it, I think.

When she ran away, she wasn't intended to get stuck with Sandor.

Anyway, if Arya were at the Red Wedding, I don't think the Freys would try to kill her. She's just a little girl and valuable hostage, and it's not like they wanted to kill Catelyn either.

Though if Arya happened to sneak a weapon in, she'd probably try to fight back and get killed.

Finished the last Sansa chapter. Oh. Oh. So THAT'S what Littlefinger was going for...but I wonder what his motive behind it is...

I'm not sure Littlefinger even has an endgame plan. He certainly thinks several steps ahead of most people, but apparently without much more of a goal than making his life better/himself more powerful. Like a massive scaled Indy Ploy writ across continents.

His endgame is "somehow, someway, bang Catelyn."

Perhaps that's what his endgame was. Although unless things get really really gross, I'm pretty sure that's off the table. At this point, he'd probably be content to marry Sansa/Alayne off to Harry the Heir and live out his days in luxury as effectively Lord of the Vale. If the opportunity presents itself to return to King's Landing, he may do that, but otherwise he's safe in an impregnable fortress.

"Somehow bang Catelyn" probably includes vicariously, through Sansa.

What if it wasn't "Bang Catelyn", but "Get Revenge on Catelyn"?

Not necessarily mutually exclusive.

Then he's done a superb job. Probably the real cause that saw her husband beheaded. Basically started a civil war that wound up with her family scattered, firstborn son killed in front of her and believing that her other children were all dead or in the hands of her enemies. Watching everything you love turn to ashes is a high level revenge.

Not that Littlefinger could have really planned all of that exactly, but if all he wanted was to hurt Catelyn I'm sure he'd be fine with knowing that most of it only happened because he got the ball rolling.

Also a good point.

edited 24th Feb '15 10:39:33 PM by AnSTH

I wondered what Littlefinger's plan was at the moment when he asked Cersei for Sansa's hand in marriage.

At the very least he would've had to give up on marrying Lysa and becoming Regent of the Vale if it actually went through.

@lawyer Littlefinger's too greedy to try to stay where he's at. He's always want more and more.

You know if Jaime had got to depose Cersei like he wanted to he might have made Littlefinger Hand as he was thinking over.

edited 24th Feb '15 11:20:16 PM by MadSkillz

I doubt he ever thought the Lannisters would allow him to marry Sansa. He's to lowborn for that.

edited 25th Feb '15 12:21:22 AM by 940131

Why would he ask then?

I mean I'm sure he doubted it would happen but didn't see the harm in trying. I dunno if he asked when he was made Lord of Harrenhal though.

edited 25th Feb '15 2:20:13 AM by MadSkillz

I don't know, but he knew he needed Harrenhal to marry Lysa, so I think he knew they wouldn't let him marry Sansa. Also, the Lannisters wanted to claim the North for their family.

edited 25th Feb '15 3:21:38 PM by 940131

Maybe he figured betraying Ned was enough to let him marry Sansa who at the time was 3rd in the line of succession. Littlefinger adapts well and kinda makes it up as he goes along so I'd believe it if marrying Lysa to grab the Vale wasn't his first option.

I'm just gonna answer you in the thread.

The Vale Lords seem to like Ned. He was basically informally adopted by Jon. You always hear how Theon is half a Stark. Well Ned is half an Arryn himself.

Interesting thing to note but Elbert Arryn (Jon's heir) was probably a close friend of Brandon Stark's.

GRRM was asked why Ned was sent to the Eyrie as a ward but he kinda dodged it.

edited 25th Feb '15 8:11:08 PM by MadSkillz

More fuel for Southron Ambitions, I guess.

Rickard was a Magnificent Bastard who was planning to marry Ned to Jon's niece and assassinate Elbery Arryn.

I wonder who he would've married Benjen to.

Asha Greyjoy? Arianne Martell?

Maybe he'd like to shore up some local northern power by marrying Benjen to say a Manderly.

edited 25th Feb '15 9:00:01 PM by MadSkillz

Finally done with AFFC. I would like to kill the Lady Westerling, even with the few lines she had she's insufferable, and it was All for Nothing, too!

I'll probably start ADOD tomorrow.

Although I do think the older generation was scheming against the Targs, I doubt Rickard would've been able to get away with it.

Asha and Arianne are probably out of the question for Benjen. He was a third son.

edited 25th Feb '15 9:47:45 PM by 940131