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#2976: Dec 10th 2016 at 2:11:28 AM

Double post but I've now beaten Case 5 and with it my first entry in the main franchise. While it was a fun ride I definitely think the next game could improve on its flaws. Namely the actual culprits need to be handled better as should the pacing and use of flashbacks.

I'm not going to write up a post but if you want my opinions just ask. That said I hope someone's gotten to writing or drawing postgame fanart of the three Khura'in siblings being happy together.

Ekimmak Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
#2977: Dec 10th 2016 at 3:07:27 PM

My thoughts on case 2's culprit.

Reus' motive is also a little vague. I'm not 100% recalling the case, so I might be getting it wrong, but it sounded like he thought he was kicked out because he messed up a trick and wasn't living up to the standard that the troupe had. But it sounded to me more like after he had gotten injured, he tried to perform a trick he was told NOT to perform, and got kicked for jeopardising their reputation that way.

edited 10th Dec '16 3:07:45 PM by Ekimmak

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Hobgoblin Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
#2978: Dec 10th 2016 at 6:56:51 PM

That's more or less accurate. Either way, it's a case of Never My Fault.

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#2979: Dec 11th 2016 at 3:37:24 AM

The former I can understand having a grievance over (trying to frame someone for murder is overreacting, but I'm just saying, I can see there being a grudge). The latter is just petty blame-shifting.

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#2980: Dec 12th 2016 at 9:42:17 AM

Reus is a self-centered, petty asshole and was built up like that throughout the whole case. You can't really expect a reasonable motive coming from that.

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#2981: Dec 16th 2016 at 12:14:44 PM

I'm playing PW 1 now. The first two cases are really short and easy. I expected Redd White to put more of a fight.

The writing feels kind of ...off. I can't put a finger on it.

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Hobgoblin Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
#2982: Dec 16th 2016 at 1:40:31 PM

Redd White's main flaw is that he's an idiot who really should have kept himself in an advantageous position.

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#2983: Dec 16th 2016 at 5:44:28 PM

To be fair, he wasn't expecting Mia Fey to come back from the dead and blackmail him into confessing. The only thing that could nail Redd White to the wall was a confession: even after proving beyond reasonable doubt he saw the crime as it happened from the same room as the victim, Edgeworth was still trying to get Wright convicted.

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#2984: Dec 16th 2016 at 9:27:38 PM

True, but even before Mia came back, White proved to be massively incompetent on the stand. There's one point where he literally says "And then I chased after her... I-I mean, the attorney there chased after her!"

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#2985: Dec 16th 2016 at 9:43:53 PM

Redd White was too full of himself to think he could get beaten. Hell, he didn't even try to corroborate his testimony with April May. Speaking of that case, I wondered for some time why motives weren't as important in that game as they became in the other games. I saw a post on Ask Ace Attorney that Redd White was pulling strings to keep the focus off the motive and that Edgeworth, if he had to, would pull the whole "Kurain Master Sucession" card so...maybe that's it?

In apropos of nothing, I'm currently playin' Ace Attorney Investigations 2 on an emulator. I'm on the second case and I just got to the courtyard. Liking the "Logic Chess" system.

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#2986: Dec 17th 2016 at 10:30:36 AM

Case 1-3 is gutbusting. Edgeworth is a bigger Butt-Monkey than Wright. How do you do that?

It also makes me appreciate the 1 investigation/1 trial ratio in Spirit of Justice.

On another note. I downloaded AJ HD. The DS sprites are nicely scaled. Payne still sticks out like a sore thumb. I have some problem loading the game but fortunately the game is divided into small chunks.

edited 17th Dec '16 10:31:38 AM by RAlexa21th

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#2987: Dec 17th 2016 at 10:56:56 PM

Onto 1-4

So. Many. White. Flashes.

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#2988: Dec 18th 2016 at 6:43:40 AM

So in Japanifornia people get prosecuted for something they did accidentally, as a kid. Shouldn't be surprised.

Yeah Wright, show von Karma the evidence. That'd go well.

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#2989: Dec 18th 2016 at 8:19:57 AM

As you'll see throughout the series, nick has his moments of extraordinary stupidity

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#2990: Dec 18th 2016 at 8:32:50 AM

I can at least say that he stopped showing vital evidence to the cases Big Bad as time went on.

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#2991: Dec 18th 2016 at 9:31:13 AM

I do believe this is the last time he ever does so, in fact.

I just wish he hadn't done so three cases in a row.

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#2992: Dec 18th 2016 at 9:32:17 AM

I'm sure the only thing I proved is Edgeworth shot von Karma. Quercus Alba he is not.

By Japanifornia logic Edgeworth is still guilty of assaulting von Karma. Guess that's why he's in detention.

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#2993: Dec 18th 2016 at 11:57:53 AM

Well, he claimed to have shot his father, so if it was von Karma...

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#2994: Dec 18th 2016 at 12:05:31 PM

Who is "he" and "his" here?

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KusaMigeru Interesting Person #928 from Kanda Island Since: May, 2016 Relationship Status: Hooked on a feeling
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#2995: Dec 18th 2016 at 12:35:42 PM

Edgeworth, Gregory. Even if he hurt a man, it's still better than killing his father (which is the main focus of the Prosecution, after all).

edited 18th Dec '16 12:36:07 PM by KusaMigeru

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#2996: Dec 18th 2016 at 1:41:08 PM

An interesting question to consider: Would Manfred have killed Gregory had it not been for the fact that the moment was perfectly gift wrapped for him to do so? I can't imagine being shot suddenly leaves someone in a sensible state of mind.

Granted, he is still a terrible person for all the stuff he did after, though I am curious.

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#2997: Dec 18th 2016 at 1:58:54 PM

You mean, like later, in another occasion? I can see him trying to frame Gregory for a crime, like Kristoph did to Phoenix, but he would not necessarily try to murder him or anything like that, I believe.

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#2998: Dec 18th 2016 at 4:33:34 PM

Onto Rise From the Ashes.

"I will be in forensics in 3 years." Make that 11, plus an unhealthy amount of Snackoos and sexual tension with prosecutors.

Lana, you are one crappy Chief Prosecutor.

The difference between GBA sprites and DS sprites is jarring, but not as much as Apollo Justice.

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#2999: Dec 18th 2016 at 4:49:10 PM

Currently on the third case of Ace Attorney Investigations 2. So far, I'm enjoying it.

I'm loving Sebastian's "Debesteisms". "I'll run in circles around this useless prosecutor!" Well, he's not wrong, that's what he ended up doing. "We searched every crook and granny, right, Justine?" The Warden will not be happy to hear you insult her age, you brat.

Hell, even Larry gets on the "shit on Sebastian Debeste" train. "Hey, Edgy...this prosecutor is kind of an idiot, isn't he?" When Larry Butz calls you an idiot, you have truly reached new lows of stupidity.

I found Manfred's comment about how his wife was an amateur but "her cooking rivals world-famous chefs" to be cute. I'm imaging Manfred and his wife to be this adorable couple, the one that makes you sick. Behind doors, of course. I wonder what his family life was like? Did Mrs. Von Karma like Edgeworth?

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#3000: Dec 18th 2016 at 9:42:56 PM

I'm inclined to believe Edgeworth was on good terms with all of the von Karmas.


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