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Arha Since: Jan, 2010
#67726: Aug 20th 2014 at 9:15:15 PM

I don't care and I'm not going to open those links. The mere opinions of random people on the internet does not constitute evidence. Further, stop trying to continue the argument. I am not interested in debating with you when you are factually incorrect about many details and will not admit it.

jman7 Since: Jul, 2012
#67727: Aug 20th 2014 at 9:27:26 PM

No it's because you will not except that bleach has plot holes and is badly written. And some of those links do have actual facts even if it's about a series who's story is a little messy.

I did state facts like how the fights went and how starrk was really disappointing as the supposed "1" espada.

edited 21st Aug '14 9:48:07 PM by jman7

Arha Since: Jan, 2010
#67728: Aug 20th 2014 at 9:34:15 PM

So, anyway, it occurred to me earlier, but disabling Hitsugaya for thirty seconds only matters if you can kill him or Giselle in that time frame. I don't think it's really possible to kill Hitsugaya.

Cruherrx I say things. from my own little world Since: Apr, 2010 Relationship Status: YOU'RE TEARING ME APART LISA
I say things.
#67729: Aug 20th 2014 at 9:36:15 PM

[up][up]lol

I like how despite the fact that we saw Rose use bankai against Md M, which revealed it did not make him more powerful, jman still holds the notion that Rose wasn't at full power against Starrk. Thread, forgive me for making a Jojo reference, but yare yare.

edited 20th Aug '14 9:37:09 PM by Cruherrx

"If you weren't so crazy I'd think you were insane."
jman7 Since: Jul, 2012
#67730: Aug 20th 2014 at 9:43:07 PM

His bankai DID make him more powerful, he was getting owned until he used Bankai.

edited 20th Aug '14 9:47:44 PM by jman7

Cruherrx I say things. from my own little world Since: Apr, 2010 Relationship Status: YOU'RE TEARING ME APART LISA
I say things.
#67731: Aug 20th 2014 at 10:03:07 PM

What fight were you reading? lol

Rose got hit maybe once before using Bankai. Kensei distracted Md M by taking one hell of a beating, and then Rose attacked James before using Bankai. Md M countered it and easily took him out. Rose's Bankai does not increase his power.

See, reiryoku is the energy everyone uses to power their moves. "Reiatus" is reiryoku at work. There's a reiatsu increase when people use Bankai because Bankai takes up a lot of reiryoku. Unless a Bankai specifically comes with a power boost as one of its abilities, it doesn't actually increases a character's power, just the amount of power they're using. That is why Bankai wear out their users.

"If you weren't so crazy I'd think you were insane."
Arha Since: Jan, 2010
#67732: Aug 20th 2014 at 10:04:27 PM

Let it go Cru. He's already changed the subject anyway.

HamburgerTime Since: Apr, 2010
#67733: Aug 20th 2014 at 10:06:35 PM

This is something I've been wondering about for a while: could someone please tell me what a "Transcendent" is? I only vaguely recall the term from the series but I've heard it used in the fandom a lot, but I can't tell if it's actually supposed to be a sort of being or if it was just Aizen bragging as usual.

Cruherrx I say things. from my own little world Since: Apr, 2010 Relationship Status: YOU'RE TEARING ME APART LISA
I say things.
#67734: Aug 20th 2014 at 10:10:16 PM

It's a fan term for what Aizen and Ichigo had become when nobody could sense their reiatsu.

[up][up]I will. I just felt like adding that because he was coming off as too smug.

edited 20th Aug '14 10:10:51 PM by Cruherrx

"If you weren't so crazy I'd think you were insane."
HamburgerTime Since: Apr, 2010
#67735: Aug 20th 2014 at 10:13:43 PM

[up] Ah, so it's not actually a thing in-series. I've just heard fans describe various characters as this (including Szayel for some reason) so I wanted to be sure.

jman7 Since: Jul, 2012
#67736: Aug 20th 2014 at 10:23:56 PM

The only reason MDM countered it and rose lost is because rose had a what an idiot moment and explained to the Enemy exactly how his powers worked.

Bankai will always be superior to Shikai (and I mean that one persons own bankai would be better than their own shikai as some shikai would be better than another person's Bankai and even more so when they use their own bankai, depending on how powerful the person is.) yet this thread (I don't mean this to everyone as a lot of people do agree that bankai is superior) tries to establish an excuse that Bankai dosn't matter.

And I'm not being smug, I just have serious problems with bleach, I consider the intire Arrancar Arc (and the ending of the Soul Socity arc) to be the worst arc in the series, it made ichigo look like a wimp/failure hero and made the captains look like God-mode sues (at least until deicide that is) and lets not even get started on Aizen.

KBSL Since: Mar, 2013 Relationship Status: Forming Voltron
#67737: Aug 20th 2014 at 10:31:49 PM

[up][up]Well, Aizen used it to refer to himself with the Hogyoku as having transcended the boundary between hollow and soul reaper, but I think that was just supposed to be him being arrogant and nothing something to be latched onto like a lot of fans have.

Ssj3Gojira Arashi Shigehito from The Event Horizon Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
Arashi Shigehito
#67738: Aug 20th 2014 at 10:48:27 PM

Regarding Aizen, I actually came up with two names for his last two forms: Seraph Aizen and Demonic/Fallen (Seraph) Aizen, so I can kind of see the need for fan terms like "Transcendent," though I prefer the term "Transcendental."

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Sykosis Dark Matter Since: Jul, 2013 Relationship Status: Yes, I'm alone, but I'm alone and free
Dark Matter
#67739: Aug 21st 2014 at 12:45:12 AM

To clarify the Bankai 'boost'.

It's not the user that gets stronger, but rather the weapon/abilities that get stronger.

What was in your right hand is hope; And in another hand is something else to fade.
Saiga (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#67740: Aug 21st 2014 at 2:16:32 AM

@Arha

Ichigo went on to fight Aizen without any healing after the Byakuya fight. He collapsed after realizing he'd won, but he could still move.

Arha Since: Jan, 2010
#67741: Aug 21st 2014 at 6:31:50 AM

Given that Byakuya walked away from the fight I think it's safe to say he was not physically defeated at the very least.

LordofLore Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: Consider his love an honor
#67742: Aug 21st 2014 at 6:36:23 AM

Man, imagine if Byakuya actually had died and Giselle stole his corpse.

byakugan0889 recapper and blogger from Zquad HQ Since: Nov, 2009 Relationship Status: Wishing you were here
recapper and blogger
#67743: Aug 21st 2014 at 7:14:44 AM

Byakuya didn't just walk away, he flashed stepped away. And he wasn't even reeling. Byakuya found the out so he didn't have to betray his pride or promise.

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BlackYakuzu94 CHADhan Player. from Easy Coast/NY Since: Jun, 2013 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
CHADhan Player.
#67744: Aug 21st 2014 at 8:08:38 AM

Naw, Byakuya was just trying to preserve some cool points; I bet he collapsed as soon as soon as he was alone.

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Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#67745: Aug 21st 2014 at 8:10:30 AM

[up][up][up] OH SHIT MAYBE HE DID

Well actually I think squad zero would notice but wouldn't that be an amazing twist?

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wanderlustwarrior Role Model from Where Gods Belong Since: Jun, 2009 Relationship Status: What's love got to do with it?
Role Model
#67746: Aug 21st 2014 at 8:21:37 AM

Mecha-Shiva: "You know what would be funny?..."

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Cruherrx I say things. from my own little world Since: Apr, 2010 Relationship Status: YOU'RE TEARING ME APART LISA
I say things.
#67747: Aug 21st 2014 at 9:06:22 AM

If she actually did cut off Renji's "little Renji"?

"If you weren't so crazy I'd think you were insane."
Arha Since: Jan, 2010
Sykosis Dark Matter Since: Jul, 2013 Relationship Status: Yes, I'm alone, but I'm alone and free
Dark Matter
#67749: Aug 21st 2014 at 10:08:25 AM

[up]Not even Renji?

What was in your right hand is hope; And in another hand is something else to fade.
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#67750: Aug 21st 2014 at 10:09:11 AM

Maybe when he gets lonely.


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