Bleach

Hey, as long as Yhwach continues living, that's all that really matters to the Sternritter. They clearly don't care about the massacre 200 years ago.

Yeah, no. He shot them with Burner Finger 1. If killing them was his intent, he would've used something stronger. Facts are not on your side here. It being out of Yhwach's presence means everything. When Cang Du interfered in Bazz-B's fight, he wasn't gonna go along with it until CD mentioned it was Yhwach's orders. Yhwach's order trumps all among the Sternritter. Yhwach not being there or issuing an order meant Bazz-B could operate with more latitude, but still couldn't be killing able-bodied Sternritter (or he just didn't want to).

Gremmy is not very sane or well-liked among the Sternritter (Bazz-B and Askin). He doesn't care about his comrades at all, but doesn't go out of his way to fight or kill them. He was focused on killing Kenpachi exclusively, and didn't think or care about the impact his meteor would cause.

The only team killers we've seen among the Sternritter are Yhwach and arguably Gremmy. In fact, we see downright camaraderie with Md M and Askin looking out for Bazz-B when he was going to challenge Yhwach's order when they tried to stop him, and Bazz-B saving As Nodt and Nanana from Yamamoto's flames.

Sorry, but the facts are very much in my favor. You're running into increasingly silly and irrelevant ground here.

-Burning finger one is enough to penetrate straight through someone's body, and he had to use it on four targets at once. He was, at very least, trying to wound them enough to keep them out of the fight in an organization where being wounded enough to be out of the fight is a death sentence. If they weren't then he'd have been putting himself in a 4v1 fight not even counting the powerful enemy standing right next to him. This notion that Bazz-B was doing... I'm not even sure what you think he was trying to do is pure nonsense.

-Why does it being out of Ywach's presence mean anything? Army commanders don't just expect their orders to be followed as long as the soldier is within eyeshot. In fact...

-Bazz-B being stopped from doing something because it's Ywach's order proves my point. If Bazz-B is worried about the consequences from disobeying Ywach, but still tries to kill his teammates, then it clearly shows that he doesn't think that Ywach will care very much.

-The fact that the organization is made up of a bunch of insane people who don't like each other is the problem. Gremmy being an example of that is the exact opposite of detrimental to my argument.

-We've got Gremmy, Ywach, All five femritters, and Bazz-B. 7 our of 26 letters is pretty bad, and the arc isn't over yet.

edited 10th Jul '14 10:58:40 AM by Bloodsquirrel

At this point, I'm starting to doubt any Sternrotter not named Ishida will come out of this war alive.

Bambietta is a zombie, so unless Orihime heals her, she's not coming back. Giselle and Bazz-B will most likely kick the bucket for their crimes as well. Candice, Liltotto, and Meninas were complicit in Bambietta's Zombification, so they're likely to die as well. Pepe and Gordon aren't gonna be much better off, because dark skinned male villains tend to die in Bleach just as much as the old men. The three unknown Sternritter will most likely be fodder fuel, too.

edited 10th Jul '14 11:25:07 AM by Sledgesaul

When we ever expected any other Quincy other than Ishida to survive if they don't show one signal of kindness in any way or form?

Because Kubo kept the Arrancars around despite several being pretty irredeemable (see Loly).

edited 10th Jul '14 11:27:35 AM by Sledgesaul

The Problem is Bazz-B's whole Tried to kill the Femritters is pretty much a bad case of Literally translating what Bazz B said despite the intention of the scene

IE Its the same thing Yumichika's 'you reek of Semen' someone literally translated it.

Bazz-B wasn't trying to kill them, He was trying to disable them so he could Kill Steal Ichigo.

Yumichika is saying Giselle has the distinct DUDE Smell.

I'm becoming more and more convinced that Kubo doesn't really want us to like the Sternritter. No backstories and all.

Putting a beam of fire straight through someone's torso pretty much speaks for itself. The only possible intent of that scene was to demonstrate what a dick Bazz-B is.

Yeah, Bazz-B tried to kill them for sure. He wanted to Kill Steal, and he got his logic turned on him via Najahkoop.

I also think the FemRitters allowed Giselle to kill Bambietta because they were tired of putting up with her.

edited 10th Jul '14 11:50:00 AM by Sledgesaul

Reposting crowner.

Correct, I don't care if Giselle is a guy or not. Zombietta is interesting, but not really worth noting. And I certainly don't feel bad for her. And Sledgesaul, liking a character doesn't mean you're sympathetic towards them. Bambietta was a fun character, she's just highly unsympathetic. I suspect it has something to do with all the murder and racism.

Why are we having another Hollow crowner?

I'm of a different cloth. I found her sympathetic (or at least pitiable) because of Zombietta, as it was a pretty pointless act of cruelty on the part of Giselle. She already went through a Humiliation Conga via her own bombs, so I feel it's overkill to have her come back as a zombie. Had she died when Dangai Joue ignited her bombs within her body, that would have been fine karmic justice. Here, no, as it makes the Fem Ritters vindictive and sadistic, and continues the trend of the Sternritters being so brazenly villainous.

edited 10th Jul '14 12:20:12 PM by Sledgesaul

^^ Because we think people were cheating on the first crowners, so we decided to redo them with different rules.

^ Shrug. She probably didn't deserve to be betrayed by her friends, but I save sympathy for people who have displayed positive character traits.

edited 10th Jul '14 12:19:22 PM by Arha

Voting tampering. Only Up votes count now.

Edit:Flash stepped.

edited 10th Jul '14 12:20:21 PM by LordofLore

Shlugo, we're redoing all crowners again with altered rules due to suspicions of clone farms manipulating the results.

So it's not because you were unhappy with the results and are changing rules until they results will please you?

Phew, I was worried for a while.

Well, my main point is that she should have been killed by Dangai Joue. There's no strategic, ethical, or storytelling sense to have her as a zombie other than to prolong her suffering just enough to green light the deaths of the Fem Ritters. It also takes away from the one big victory Komamura earned.

It's just bad writing overall. The Sternritters are consistently, irrevocably, and vehemently evil, when they could have been one of the more sympathetic races in this series. It's getting harder and harder to care about them when you know their only purpose is to Kick the Dog and die afterwards.

edited 10th Jul '14 12:32:07 PM by Sledgesaul

I wish Kubo was more open to questions on Twitter... but the guy pretty much avoids Bleach questions like the plague.

edited 10th Jul '14 12:28:28 PM by FrozenWolf2

^^^ The polls before pretty much gave me the results I wanted or would have if I'd felt like abusing the fact that I can control when the crowners end.

^^ Ishida is a sympathetic quincy. Ryuken is a sympathetic quincy. Kanae was a sympathetic quincy, as was Masaki. You know what these people have in common? They didn't care enough about something that happened centuries ago to declare war over it on people who largely didn't even know who and what they were. I'm not sitting here going 'Haha you got what you deserved, Bambietta' but I'm also disinclined to care about her suffering. Great, sucks to be her. Yippee.

Oh, and the people that didn't want to join Yhwach? They didn't. Some of them died for it, but presumably not all.

edited 10th Jul '14 12:33:03 PM by Arha

I'll bring up a real world analogy. Gaddafi, the former dictator of Libya, was an awful man, with barely any positive traits. Yet it still was not right for the rebels to mutilate him like that.

Same thing applies here. Bambietta was a nasty bitch, but she didn't deserve Zombification when, again, she could have just died via Komamura. It takes away from the one epic moment he had. I'm just saying, two wrongs never make a right.

If anything, however, you're just proving my point for me, that the Sternritters are cartoonishly evil and it's pretty bad writing as a result.

edited 10th Jul '14 12:40:47 PM by Sledgesaul

I regret that, under the new format, I won't be able to downvote all of the failbringers.

Arha, that was a joke. Geez.

Bambietta didn't deserve what happened to her, and I'm pretty sure Giselle will die a karmic death for being such a cruel creep. She got turned into a zombie to further showcase how deranged the Sternritters are, because Kubo is not a master of subtlety.

Compared to those guys the Arracans were pretty nice people.

Oh and Ishida can go and die in a ditch for all I care.

Sadly, we don't even know that the purge has anything to do with why the sternritter are, on a personal level, fighting Soul Society. We haven't been given much in the way of motivation for most of them.

Shlugo: I know it was a joke. If I was being totally serious would I be telling people that I can cheat with the results? What more do you want me to say, that I picked a ratio system in the first place because I secretly wanted to cheat by altering my votes?

Sledge: Maybe, but that inspires dislike of the person who did the bad thing, not sympathy towards the victim. If, however, Bambietta were to somehow survive this and the experience gave her perspective and she decided to change as a person I'd probably feel sympathy for her. But that hasn't happened, so all this means is that Giselle is a terrible person.

Also, my point is that of course the Sternritters are assholes. That's because Yhwach is an asshole. Quincies that aren't assholes are off minding their own business for the most part.

^ See, that's what I think needs more exploration. I can understand why people like As Nodt are here, but everybody else is kind of lacking in motivation. I suspect it's deliberate, though, so I'm just waiting.

edited 10th Jul '14 12:44:03 PM by Arha