The Law Enforcement Officer Thread

Something I don't understand due to lack of understanding of ballistic science.

I'm pretty sure it wasn't as if they all surrounded the robber and shot, and how much was the ricochet that it reflected around and hit one of the officers back?

It didn't hit an officer it hit a tv show crew member. In the US there is a reality tv show called Cops. He likely wasn't directly in the line of action.

Ooh.

Must be one hell of a ricochet, the camera crew tend to stay behind the police when filming.

The thing with a ricochet is you never know where it will go. It is entirely possible for a ricochet to come right back at the shooter. He also could have been off to the side there are currently no other details available. It is a pretty fresh incident.

edited 27th Aug '14 4:10:18 PM by TuefelHundenIV

I do remember, in Black Hawk Down, how sometimes keeping your back on the wall can be dangerous because a ricocheting bullet might ride the wall(?) and hit you.

Of course, I also remember that one guy who didn't properly understand that tip ended up getting shot in the back because he exposed his back too much.

Here is an example of a from target directly in front to a ricochet back at the shooter.

Wha...? I don't understand how that happened.

Once a bullet strikes a target its shape and direction of momentum can be changed. Also forgot to mention even a bullet fragment can kill you. Wear your body armor.

Here is another example this time with .50 cal. This one makes a good noise as the bullet tumbles through the air.

Somewhere there is another one of those old Police Training videos where they demonstrated the risk of ricochet while being fired on.

Ballistics can be weird as fuck sometimes.

Ahh found it. Its actually an old FBI training video.

How to Win a Gunfight At the 6 min and 17 seconds there is a demonstration of as dRoy said. "A bullet riding the wall" There are also other demonstrations of ricochets.

Always the risk of a stray bullet. Poor guy I wonder I wonder how fox is going to review their policies.

Anyone remember revolve ocelot?

Heard more today about how he got shot. They apparently started out behind the cops but as the cops moved into the Wendy's to do their thing the crew came around the side to get a better view. Unfortunately this meant they wound up in an area where a stray bullet could possibly get them.

The knuckle head doing the robbery had a realistic looking air soft rifle or something similar that sounded like the real deal. He started a short shootout with the cops. It was pretty one sided for obvious reasons. Both the crewman and the perp were rushed to a hospital where they died.

I can't find the other article atm

This also marks the first time a Cops Crew member was seriously hurt or killed while filming. It is increasingly looking like an accidental death. They guy moved into the wrong place at the wrong time.

edited 28th Aug '14 2:44:55 AM by TuefelHundenIV

This is really disturbing if this is a common thing at this point. Makes me not even want to play games online if this is what's going to happen.

In other news: Sick.

edited 28th Aug '14 7:16:58 AM by speedyboris

Your second link doesn't work so I have no idea what you find so sick.

The SWAT team did exactly as they should. That article can complain all they want about how it's not fair to be the subject of online harassment like this, but this isn't a law enforcement issue. That's a gamer culture issue.

The Daily Mail? Is there a better source?

Also, the second link has a "- " insert.

Sorry, try this link.

Here's another link. And an opinion article on the phenomenon.

I wasn't blaming the SWAT team who have no idea what's credible and what's a hoax, I was blaming the pranksters who think it's funny to traumatize the bejeezus out of somebody and waste these resources. And what if the victim was accidentally killed? Would they have still found it funny?

edited 28th Aug '14 7:33:24 AM by speedyboris

Still not working. What's the story and we can probably find a better example elsewhere.

Well for the love of... Does THIS work?? Should be the first news story on the page.

edited 28th Aug '14 7:28:51 AM by speedyboris

The guy refused to corporate with police, became hostile, and when backup arrived he was taken into custody while still acting a fool.

Unless there is something new or whatever the article isn't saying, then the guy was a moron and the police followed procedure.

I say "sick" because I doubt this same scenario would've happened if the guy wasn't black.

What grounds did they have to arrest him? I agree that he shouldn't have been so defensive but the police decided to arrest him on what grounds? Not liking that the police are taking issue with a black man waiting for his kids? That's not a crime.

Bullshit. Again, unless something new pops up, the cops did their job and this guy was a moron.

First off, the police are supposed to respond to loitering calls. The officer goes and asks the man what's up. From the very article posted, the man was hostile from the beginning:

He didn't wait to see if he did do anything wrong. The officer was trying to explain and he refused to listen.

A stairwell isn't always public property. Even if there isn't a sign, that doesn't always mean that he is allowed to wait there. Had he been cooperative, the officer probably could have directed him to a more suitable place to wait but he pulled the race card and the primary officer called for backup before engaging a hostile man further who wouldn't even tell them his name.

Nope. He was a moron, the cops followed procedure.

EDIT: The fact he was charged with trespassing and hostile behavior should be the key, he wasn't on public property.

$20 he went before the judge, the judge told him to drop the attitude with cops and hear them out before trying to argue, told him not to do it again, and let him go. This didn't have to be a big deal.

edited 28th Aug '14 8:06:42 AM by Gabrael

Hostile behaviour is an actual crime? And yeah trespass is fair enough then, the cops probably wouldn't have been called if he was white, but that doesn't make him trespassing legal.

Prove it is because he is black. Nothing given so far can prove that.

And yeah, trespassing is illegal. He wouldn't remove himself from the area, he would not tell the cops his name, yes, this is grounds for arrest. Now that doesn't mean he had to be charged and he wasn't. But yeah, copping an attitude wasn't the big problem, him not moving or listening was. That's obstruction.

If someone called and said someone was loitering, unless they have a warrant on them, standard procedure is to go ask the person to move along or direct them to another place. This guy wouldn't move. He wouldn't listen to the primary officer, and was getting belligerent for no damn reason. Everything they arrested him for according to the information provided fit and was fair. They could have charged him with more. The idiot fought back and had to be tazed for crying out loud. Yeah, that is stupid on his part.

They could have charged him with assaulting an officer.

All he had to do was listen to the problem, why the officer was called, which would have most likely resolved into him just getting out of the damn stairwell and moving on. He picked a fight with two officers and lost.

There is nothing to prove anything happened because he was black. And even if we assume that the police were called because he was black, the cops were doing their job and answering a call like they were supposed to. His reaction to their presence was completely insane. He had no reason not to just talk to the cops. His behavior determined theirs. And they followed procedure for the safety of themselves and others.