The Law Enforcement Officer Thread

Maybe I've just been fortunate to not have a jerk LEO stop me for anything, yet. Out of six instances, none have been jerks, just doing their jobs. Maybe Hawaii has better cops on average, iunno.

I've never had that problem earlier. But when I hear "it takes 30 to 45 minutes for-" that sounds like something that's labor intensive (whatever it is) and that sounds like if someone makes that call in order to annoy whoever it is that annoyed them, those are resources that otherwise could have been used on things whose purpose wasn't "annoy this prick."

That's really all I'm saying. I don't mind if pricks get annoyed. I mean, break their tail light and then ticket them for having a broken tail light. It's cheaper.

I have seen both the total dick cops and really cool cops. The Bellevue, NE cops are notorious for being collosal dicks to anyone without a Bellevue, NE License Plate or anyone who lives in the military housing. Even when your polite and nice they will be as dickish as possible. I got smart assed with em and got off scot free because they couldn't nail me on anything legit.

The local Sec For Mp patrols on the other hand are pretty friendly and professional as long as you don't start pushing buttons. Omaha Cops are also closer to the polite professional variety as long as your not a dick. Instead of getting issued a ticket for buster tail light the worst I have got is "fix it" ticket meaning if you get the problem part repaired or replaced inside of a week the ticket is waived and nothing goes on your record. It's issue is always at the discretion of the issuing officer.

^^

If those resources aren't being used for anything, they aren't being taken away from anything either.

Plus you have to remember, when I'm doing it on base, I can get anywhere on base inside of 10 minutes in an absolute emergency.

Well if it only takes 10 minutes why'd you say it takes 45?

Anyway, I have no idea what you're talking about, so it's probably just the way you described it.

It takes 45 minutes because they drag their feet on purpose. Realistically, it'd take me 10 minutes running lights and sirens to get get from one side all the way to the other.

Basically the gist is when someone starts becoming beligerant, hostile, or rude they take their dear sweet time with their tasks as subtle form of pay back. Overall no real harm is done. However if they are in an emergency situation they don't drag their feet they get where they need to as fast as possible.

On the dogs, we had dogs come search my school systems. (I was in high school at the time, but they searched everything 6th grade and up for drugs.) It was horrible because the cops sucked and the dogs weren't trained worth crap. One tore open a kid's bag to get to their lunch. Another urinated on the lockers. But the admins still didn't stop using them.

One kid I knew pepper sprayed his back pack just to fuck with them. The dogs would go off everytime.

On messing with cops, let's be fair. They crack down on assholes for a very good reason: they don't need that attitude to happen again. Cops don't have to tell you how important pulling you over, questioning you, etc. really is. There is often a good reason for this.

They could be checking out a defect with your car, marking you violating some rule of the road, or they could be looking into an Amber Alert your car may match. Very few cops pull people over just to cause problems. If you think a cop is being unfair, you can calmly refuse to do anything until your lawyer shows. At least in my state, one can legally roll up their window and sit on the side of the road until their attorney shows. They can't run, but they can sit forever and refuse to talk, exit the car, or consent to search. I wouldn't doubt if every state has some form of this law.

People maybe assholes, but that doesn't mean they should be allowed to continue to be. This behavior especially shouldn't be tolerated by people who have devoted their careers and their lives to cleaning up after assholes. The police officer's job is to deal with assholes to make them stop being such. Sometimes it means putting them in jail. Sometimes it means giving them enough tickets to knock their issues down a peg.

The winning bidder committed several violations after a "post-bid" inspection, and pending a formal announcement by the bidding committee of the Philippine National Police, instead of Jericho 9mm pistols (Php 974M), it would be Glock 9mm pistols, from the second lowest bidder (Php 998M), 59,904 pieces.

What?

I think he's talking about a contract to provide sidearms for the PNP.

Besides the fact that policemen have to buy their own guns (and this procurement would certainly help with that problem), there's still the issue of too few policemen for too many non-policemen over here...

I purchased some Damascus protective gear. Is that brand durable? Even though it's for a costume, I think it might see multiple uses.

I ask in the Law Enforcement thread because the website claims that they sell to police departments.

I've never heard of them, so they probably don't have military contracts. They look like a place that is mostly trying to bait gear queer cops and perhaps the occasional department budget to buy their stuff.

It probably won't fall apart with what you plan on doing with it though, unless what you plan on doing with it involves lots of rough stuff like paintball or zombie fighting.

Yeah, it's just for the Batman project I've been doddering on about.

New York uses a integrated system of cameras, files, reports, and ohter info to track, find, and halt crime

More of the same

I think New York is tottering dangerously close to being an outright police state. Bloombergs police have frequently over reached their limits of their authority and going way beyond their juriddiction.

While it may bring some good I believe it will be abused by the likes of Bloomberg and company.

I understand the use of cameras as a deterance. It is a known effect that people behave differently when they think they are being observed. You don't hav eto even actually be observing just make them think they are being watched. Based on a concept similar to this

DHS effectively shut down this guys career because his section was observing American Right Wing Extremists and collecting data The Right Wing flipped shit put their heads in the sand and ignored a serious issue.

edited 9th Aug '12 8:22:41 PM by TuefelHundenIV

Here's a documentary on MS 13, in case anyone is interested.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mphZPKQ9TXs&feature=related

Interesting links, Tuefel.

edited 17th Aug '12 5:53:56 PM by Aprilla

I think I may have seen it before. Those guys are all over parts of South Omaha. One of the girls who did cleaning had MS 13 tats all over herself. She didn't last long. She got fired for lieing to police about a shooting she was involved in. She got a flesh wound.

The only groups worse then MS 13 in Omaha are the Sudanese gangs.

edited 17th Aug '12 5:56:54 PM by TuefelHundenIV

Found this comment in a link posted in the Gun Thread and thought it was pretty funny. Not sure if serious/real, but I really don't care. It's funny.

edited 22nd Aug '12 8:30:13 AM by HouraiRabbit

Hourai: Lol I knew where that was going right off the bat. I am amused.

Extremely amusing, and extremely true.

If I'm ever accused of harassment, I am so pulling that line about how "Yes, I totally harass people for speeding."

So, the MPS have started running a grad scheme.

http://www.metpolicecareers.co.uk/graduates/the-accelerated-graduate-development-programme.html

Very interesting stuff, probably one of the biggest changes to the MPS in at least that last couple of decades, if not more.

Means that instead of having leadership dominated by bobbies who've very slowly worked their way up the ranks over a very long period of time, and nearing middle-age, you're going to see a number of ambitious up and comers. Has all the benefits in getting the best talent, and new blood to an organisation which has issues with set thinking and being slow to react to a constantly changing society. It also means we're going to have supers and above who will actually have more then a handful of years in the role, and will be around to actually have to deal with all the consequences of their changes and initiatives - which from a long term policy perspective will be hugely beneficial.

On the downside, even now you have inspectors who get belittled and ignored by the regs because they presume that they don't have enough experience despite having fifteen years on the job. Having college grads at twenty five being in the same place, well it's going to be a thing to behold. You're also adding to that the resentment over the normal coppers having lower career opportunities, despite the tremendous wait already there, and the cutting back of middle management which is already overstaffed.

For the actual nuts and bolts, I haven't gone for this, but my friends who have ( :3 ) say it's harder then anything else they've applied to. And we're talking the most competitive grad schemes in the country. So it seems we should at least get high quality candidates from this.

I can't say I approve, that same initiative in LAPD has caused all manner of issues.

Mainly in that it's rather unfair to some of the people without degrees who have really busted their asses on the street trying to get promoted. Meritocracy is where it's at in my opinion, at least in an organization that is based on a field that is as OJT related as police work.

That or it's just my bias against assholes with a bachelors degree in police administration showing. My dad was a beat cop who kept his nose to the grindstone for years, and he got passed up a lot by people with way less experience who had degrees. He could have made Lieutenant or even Captain in a more level playing field or if he had a degree. Now he's just in charge of a unit of detectives.

Realistically I imagine the emphasis is going to be on pushing them into the more administration, and long term policy planning etc roles then direct policing, which makes experience less relevant then other roles. They're not going to be custody sergeant say.

And the breath of experience they're going to get is something that ten years on the force won't necessarily give you. They're going to get a feel for every department and section, rather then having five years in SNT and five on Response say.

I suppose the answer would be to do what the military does, and offer to support promising officers in getting degrees, but with all the budget cuts that doesn't really seem like a possibility.

Here to stay though, seems it's going to be part of a three prong approach to recruitment.

(graduate scheme, volunteers converted to full time, and PCS Os to full time)

I just don't like it because it breeds classism. I don't think civilian law enforcement needs the officer-enlisted dichotomy that the military has. It leads to administrative types commanding field types being really out of touch, and makes it so virtually no amount of hard work done by enlisted can get them compensated and honored at the level of officers.