This is the thread we use to talk things over with people who have received a suspension notice. A lot of the time the notice goes out just so we can explain how seriously we take certain things, not because we want the person to feel bad and go away.
If you're suspended, give What to Do If You Are Suspended a read, then post here to begin your appeal. We try to respond to appeals in order via batch posts every few days. If a moderator has responded to your appeal, you will receive a notification in your private messages, even if you're suspended from PMs.
The Forum Rules
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Don'ts
- Don't be rude. Rule 1 applies here, too.
- Don't try to negotiate your suspension outside of this thread, such as by sending Private Messages to moderators or posting elsewhere. Such activity may be thumped or otherwise removed, and may warrant an additional suspension block if it keeps happening. All communications have to take place within this thread.
- Don't respond to other suspended users. This is a place for you to discuss your suspension, not others'.
- Don't post multiple times about your appeal if it hasn't been a few days since your last reply from us, since it makes it more difficult to compose responses. If you've posted, we're likely looking at it, and kindly request you to be more patient.
- Don't make another account to try and get around your suspension. This is called ban evasion and will get you bounced. (Again, read What to Do If You Are Suspended if you don't know what these words mean.)
Edited by Synchronicity on Jul 15th 2023 at 11:35:01 AM
I think I know why I was banned was due to the fact about my actions on topic forum. I want to repeal my ban, if we can discuss if this is just a suspension or I should stay away from the on top forum.
~firewriter: Yes, you are bugging a lot of other people with your posting style. While not all complaints are valid, I am not sure why you keep hammering on poorly argued arguments on for example Black Lives Matter. That some arguable asshat says nice things about them is not really relevant to anything and something that needs to be argued about so much.
~Crimson Zephyr: Well, you got banned three times for the exact same kind of posting style. I am not sure I am convinced that a fourth chance is warranted.
~Model XZA: The markup is explained on Text-Formatting Rules, for what it's worth. If the troper name is in CamelCase such as mine you can also write Þ@/SeptimusHeap. I'll ask about the suspension.
~chairdesklamp: Your suspension reason has an additional point "Seems obsessive over applications to minorities." with regards to the cruft. If that is a form of editing with an agenda please lay off with that as well.
~ryanisbetter~The Castaway Pariah, and ~Birdy18: Asking about you.
~Gemkazoni and ~Boatman8: Unsuspended, remember to not edit war. As for Boatman, sometimes long entries are reasonable. I would suggest a discussion page thread for that entry.
~Korvalus: "Sorry for the wait, I didn't receive a PM this time. How can I demonstrate that, by forum posts? It would be fine by me, but I want to be sure. " Minor error, but not encouraging. Unfortunately I don't follow the Get Help thread so I can't judge the quality of your edits.
~NNinja: " When Kid unwisely mentions the Power Perversion Potential of said idea" - missing article.
edited 23rd Mar '18 4:18:51 AM by SeptimusHeap
"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
Would that it were so simple.
I know that I've wronged you guys, and it's made me feel horrible about it. I've not slept well and the overwhelming sense of sadness at having fucked up with a group of people I really like has been gnawing at my conscience constantly. I know that you especially don't feel comfortable about reinstating me today, right this instant,and that's not what I've been requesting. I just would really wish it wasn't permanent — like, I was thinking, a month-long suspension on the fora. Is that something the mods would be open to?
"For all those whose cares have been our concern, the work goes on, the cause endures, the hope still lives, and the dream shall never die."
Oops... Must've missed it because it started with a capital. I guess my grammar DOES need some polishing...
edited 23rd Mar '18 5:10:00 AM by NNinja
Oh, I was thinking about being active in the forums (after reviewing the rules, of course) and showing improvement gradually, post by post. I was told by my teachers that I'm not used to the language yet, so I thought that it might help.
Hi, good morning.
I saw that I was suspended for what I added in Protagonist-Centered Morality section, and I really don't see why? I laid out a careful explanation as to why my argument qualified, and yet I was still suspended, but I don't think anyone who disagreed with me was. I'm more than willing to talk this over in discussions, but I can't do that at the moment while being suspended.
Thank you for your time.
I promise I will drop the BLM argument and change my posting style if you let me on again.
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Well, I was hoping I could get another chance to edit and create pages. I acknowledge that I was in the wrong to insult people in the edit reasons, and that I was exaggerating things, but I would like to argue that sometimes I was raising a legitimate point. The best examples are when someone deletes some of what I posted, but not all of it. However, I can avoid exaggeration and personal attacks in future. Like ~Berrenta said, what I did was an example of Single-Issue Wonk, and I think that someone who gets worked up over one issue is far more likely to put good use to another chance than someone who is hostile about anything and everything. I’ve made lots of contributions to many pages without problems, and I would like to return to doing that. I can prove myself worthy of being a quality troper.
That tends to be just acknowledging that racist tropes against Asians are just as racism based as ones against other minorities. This being an English language web site, that's actually quite pertinent—racism against Asians is the one type of racism the Anglophonic world eraces all resistance to or acknowledgement that it is racist/wrong at all in order to keep doing it. Pointing out that a racist tropes is racist can seem indeed quite redundant, but in the case of anti-Asian racism in the West, it actually isn't. Racism, and the erasure of resistance to, say for example, "Japanese people only exist for purposes of being sexually submissive to Westerners" which dates back to Puccini's Madam Butterfly and is as recent as most of the Western fandom for Japanese comics (and now, Korean music as well) and Family Guy, or when KRON 4 or Steven Colbert make fun of our names, the acceptance of this as "okay," the erasure of anyone saying otherwise, this translates into Real Life harm. Not just in my own experience, or those of Asian-American friends of mine, but I used to be in Social Work. On top of that, I lost that career for standing up against racism against Asians.
If the English language's most comprehensive index of all memes in media doesn't mention that, yes, these memes are racist, even while it seems redundant, then who will ever call attention to it? Anytime an Asian speaks up on their own, racists immediately silence us.
It seems quite redundant, certainly. But it really isn't. Art imitates life and feeds back into it. And if everyone gags us from saying"these people are also people," which is NOT opinion, then the Real Life consequences of that are people keep getting hurt.
And the most comprehensive and most used index of memes in media, in order to be comprehensive, in order to be trustworthy, should acknowledge such things.
edited 23rd Mar '18 12:10:30 PM by chairdesklamp
At the same time, I should amend that I completely understand the need for neutral language on an encyclopaedic site, and will go examine the language used for articles such as, say, blackface, and do my best to keep a neutral tone.
How sweet it is
Lunatic0verlord has decided to lash out at the moderator that thumped his post here, and thus will be escorted out of the premises.
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Would that it were so simple.
@Septimus Heap: I understand your skepticism, and I'm very .grateful that you and the other mods are willing to hear me out, instead of simply sending me packing right off. I'm doing my best to see it from your point of view, that you've given me chances before and it hasn't worked out, and that if you release my suspension, that it'll be the same. Why would you do that, why would anyone? I get it, which is why I feel doubly miserable. I'm reading over the context — if not the content, which is no longer possible — of those old posts, and I feel so stupid. It wasn't worth it, that trash that I wrote. I had nothing to prove and everything to lose, and what was really worthwhile are the friends I've made here, and I should have been mindful of that. I'm genuinely contrite, and I'm honestly really scared as well, because being on these fora has been a big part of my online life. The past year hasn't been the easiest time; I'm working towards a doctorate while working, and with Trump as president, there's no shortage of stress. Recently, I've been talking it through counseling on my own time to reevaluate these behaviors and opinions that have caused so much friction, not just here, but in general. But I know that' I'm being sincere when I say that I want things to be different. I'm sincere when I say that I don't want to be a nuisance or a problem anymore. I'm being sincere when I say that I want to make amends to the people I've caused offense. I really want to convince you that I'm worthy of one more chance, one last chance.
"For all those whose cares have been our concern, the work goes on, the cause endures, the hope still lives, and the dream shall never die."
Would that it were so simple.
Correction to the last part: But I know that's not an excuse. I should have been civil. I'm being sincere when I say that I want things to be different. I'm sincere when I say that I don't want to be a nuisance or a problem anymore. I'm being sincere when I say that I want to make amends to the people I've caused offense. I really want to convince you that I'm worthy of one more chance, one last chance.
"For all those whose cares have been our concern, the work goes on, the cause endures, the hope still lives, and the dream shall never die."
I will tone down butting heads with people over certain issues and be more civil.
Just posting to make sure y'all didn't forget about me. If I'm understanding correctly, the main reason I am banned was because my last comment before I banned was somewhat belligerent, although I didn't use any profanity. I am sorry for that. I am doing my best to stay constructive and will continue to do so.
That all being said, I don't think pushing for a thread to be based on empirical data and have a consistent definition of what constitutes a "hit" is worthy of being banned.
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Hey, I was suspended from editing like a month ago and I still dont know why. I havent been able to look at any PM's sent to me since around 2011 due to getting into PM and message board fights, but none of that ever bled into the edits I made. If I've been breaking any rules, I'm sorry, but like I said, I havent actually been able to read any of the PM's.
Hi, I'm here again because I'd really like to get my account unsuspended so that I can make my case for my editing decisions in the discussion thread.
~NEX7: Edit warring over a wall of text on Protagonist-Centered Morality. Second time in fact, albeit over two years ago and on a different page. Please don't readd poorly written text when it is removed.
~Silent Stranger: Well, it seems that you were forum banned a long time ago at some point in 2011. There is no ban reason in the system but from reading hollers it seems you had behaviour problems. When the ban system was changed in late 2011, the forum ban became a combined forum+PM ban. The edit ban is indeed over ignoring notifications about proper linking of work pages (as well as natter issues); I've lifted the PM ban so that you can read them.
~ryanisbetter: Yes, that belligerent comment was the issue. Also, please consider the possibility that you may be wrong whenever you discuss an issue, even if you are firmly convinced you are right.
~firewriter: I'll need to ask about you as well - there has been a little disagreement on you during the moderator discussions.
~Crimson Zephyr: I think there may be support for lifting the edit ban, but not for lifting the forum ban.
@Anyone else: We currently have a few issues on our plates, so you may need to post here again to get a response to an appeal we didn't immediately process.
"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
I have considered the possibility that I am wrong. That is why I posted in the first place. I wanted to know what reason they had for removing Lorde from the list but not Jepsen, Posner, etc.
So I guess the question at this point is, what should I do?
Would that it were so simple.
I understand. I really want to be able to convince you that I can be on the forums again, as well. Can we try this arrangement, that the wiki ban is lifted, but the forum ban stays for a month? In that month, if I screw up, I'm out with no appeal. No wiki, no forums, no viewing the fora, no P Ms, whatever, like it's a parole or something. Then, on April 25th, I'm reinstated, and another slip-up brings the same result. I won't be a problem again, I promise. This is all happening at a moment in my life where the prospect of being gone from the discussion fora forever has put the proverbial fear of God in me. I'm being sincere, I'm taking this situation seriously, and I won't squander it if it's given.
Just a note: people are sending me P Ms. Can I have my inbox restored? No one's going to post anything on my behalf, I just want to see what that red "10" in the corner of my screen is about.
"For all those whose cares have been our concern, the work goes on, the cause endures, the hope still lives, and the dream shall never die."
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Okay, I've been looking over the PM's now that I have access to them again, and wow, I've really been all over the place with my edits, I can see why I got suspended. What do I do from here to get unbanned?
I'll try to take note of that in mind when doing discussions. I can admit I can get heated with others, and I should try to be more civil and consider the possibility of being wrong as you said.
Posting again, like you said, please go read my last post. I'm not typing all that again, and it's not like it disappeared.
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Well, I was hoping I could get another chance to edit and create pages. I acknowledge that I was in the wrong to insult people in the edit reasons, and that I was exaggerating things, but I would like to argue that sometimes I was raising a legitimate point. The best examples are when someone deletes some of what I posted, but not all of it. However, I can avoid exaggeration and personal attacks in future. Like ~Berrenta said, what I did was an example of Single-Issue Wonk, and I think that someone who gets worked up over one issue is far more likely to put good use to another chance than someone who is hostile about anything and everything. I’ve made lots of contributions to many pages without problems, and I would like to return to doing that. I can prove myself worthy of being a quality troper.
I suppose the lingering question is what makes this time different from past visits to this thread, and why I would want to come back. I've come to love this community and discussing all and sundry, at an emotional level. I can be a high-strung, depressive, and cynical personality, but I shouldn't have let that come out in my posts. I suppose I had forgotten, or not paid attention to how much I valued it until it was taken away. What I did was also heedless, in that I forgotten that everyone else wanted to have a civil discussion, to gain the same sense of fun and enjoyment I have, and that this was an all take and no give situation, where I was participating in the thread, but not posting worthwhile stuff in return. Looking back, if everyone posted on that thread like I posted, it would have been a nightmare. If I'm given one last chance, I'll apologize to the people I've alienated, and then post something positive, something that moves the discussion forward rather than miring it in an argument.
"For all those whose cares have been our concern, the work goes on, the cause endures, the hope still lives, and the dream shall never die."