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Because whenever the comic even slightly brushes up against the subject of women and how they're treated, advocates start raving all up and down this thread about Men's Rights and how feminists are awful and women should shut the fuck up and just be oppressed.

edited 3rd Oct '13 5:31:34 PM by TobiasDrake

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So basically feminists should spend more time campaigning against other feminists than against female oppression?

Also, you seem pretty convinced that MLK got to define what the civil rights movement is. So why is it so implausible to you that feminism have a unifying voice?

edited 3rd Oct '13 5:31:58 PM by Wackd

Maybe you'd be less disappointed if you stopped expecting things to be Carmen Sandiego movies.

Which prominent ones, and what organizations?

...you know what? Scratch that. I know exactly how such a question will go here, so I withdraw it.

I have a message from another time...

Woman are not opressed.

And I wasn't talking about this.

Dressed to Kill.

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!

I have a message from another time...

The conclusion was based on me being an idiot and taking what he said a fair deal out of context. Sorry for.... all of that, anybody that WANTS to punch me in the skull can freely do so presently.

/fuckinituplikewoah

Tobias: Oi now, I've NEVER said that in my life. I just dislike that Sinfest is advocating such an angry, hateful method of dealing with sexism. There are better ways to win than trying to beat them with a bo staff and yelling "kill all men"

Fucking hate Violet.....

edited 3rd Oct '13 5:38:00 PM by Raylas

Definitely! And it's totally okay. I've misfired more than a few times in conversations like this, and I understand what it's like to get caught up in the heat of things and just immediately start striking down anyone who appears to disagree. No hard feelings.

And yeah, the messages of peace and love preached by so many Holocaust survivors is one of those things that've made me reject the idea that Humans Are Bastards over the years.

I continue to be unconvinced we're supposed to like Violet.

edited 3rd Oct '13 5:40:36 PM by Wackd

Maybe you'd be less disappointed if you stopped expecting things to be Carmen Sandiego movies.

The only people who think we're supposed to like Violet are the ones desperately clinging to her as a justification for how Sinfest is all about misandry and Tat's trying to claim men are the devil and should all be killed.

She's a crutch for an argument that doesn't have any other legs left to stand on.

edited 3rd Oct '13 5:43:33 PM by TobiasDrake

My Tumblr. Currently liveblogging Haruhi Suzumiya and revisiting Danganronpa V3.

I'm glad we could reconcile, and again, I'm REALLY sorry about all of that.

I will disagree with you on that, but I will only do so because the comic is a raging clusterfuck of random stuff so I'm leery of trying to hold ANY position beyond "Tats has gone fucking insane and is now six seconds away from making the first church of Xanthe." I lost all patience with the story when the "White Matrix: strips came out. Mostly because I STILL CAN'T FIGURE OUT WHAT THE FUCK THOSE STRIPS MEAN!

When a series of 3 comics makes me look at it and start having a nosebleed because I can't decide if the author is serious, silly, or something else altogether, I quit.

edited 3rd Oct '13 5:53:23 PM by Raylas

I think you're overthinking it. Sometimes Tats probably just doesn't have any good ideas for a strip, so he throws together something fairly meaningless.

Be that as it may, I still don't terribly enjoy that sorta stuff. And it's more and more frequent, so I just dropped the comic due to lack of interest. I basically just don't CARE no more.

Now, I gotta go do some research on the evolution of silver foxes into a potential species of domestic fox. Should be fun. If you guys burn the place down, leave a marker where the thread was, kay?

Can I join you in that? I could also add in theories that "Big Cat Prime" was most likely in North America.

Under normal circumstances, there would be no reason to believe the magazine is an attack on detractors. However, add in the words on the 2nd panel (which do summarize the fandom's attitude towards Xanthe) and Tat's established history of attacking Sisterhood detractors and its not hard to connect the dots that way.

Or maybe they're words Sam would be saying in this situation, as he knows that the magazine he wants her to get is something that organizaion would be steering her away from?

I have a message from another time...

Wow, this place exploded today.

@Mandemo's "Silent approval is still approval": Oddly enough, that's an argument put forth by some radical feminists to lump those who won't join in their cause in with the misogynists. It's the "if you're not with us you're against us" line of reasoning.

I do think the good, truly egalitarian feminists could do something to distance themselves from the radical, misandristic ones, like say adopt a name that doesn't appear to favor women over men. But we can't take those good feminists to be approving of the bad ones just by not speaking out against them vocally enough, any more than we can take good men to be approving of misogynists just be not speaking out against them vocally enough. (Besides, all the good feminists I know are quick to disown the bad ones as not even feminists at all; or rather, quick to say that the bad image the bad ones give off is not what feminism is, though that always strikes me as a bit of No True Scotsman).

Still, that would make a good bit of tu quoque. There's a lot of that to go around on this topic.

edited 3rd Oct '13 6:48:22 PM by Pfhorrest

I can't find the complete speech. I wish I could.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3xXB48l-OlE

Otherwise known as the Not All Men Are Like That / Not All Feminists Are Like That argument. Neither side has much of a leg to stand on, when the other can always say: "Well, I wish you'd be a bit quicker to disassociate yourselves from anyone who is like that, because they're not doing you any goddamn favors."

edited 3rd Oct '13 7:17:00 PM by JakesBrain

http://www.sinfest.net/archive_page.php?comicID=4777

And now back to our regularly scheduled happy fun times with awesome friendship.

Why don't the egalatarists simply call our agenda "Humanists"? Gender neutral and to the point about equal rights for ALL humanity regardless of gender. Also a good way of doing some South Park style call out the BS mongers on both sides.

edited 3rd Oct '13 8:51:21 PM by magnum12

Because a lot of the issues men suffer in modern American society can be traced back to negative perceptions of women.

Maybe you'd be less disappointed if you stopped expecting things to be Carmen Sandiego movies.

YES! YES! This is three-dimensional Monique! Keep the haircut. Keep the new wardrobe. Just be three-dimensional and not man-hating Man-hater Mc Man-hate! Wow... I am glad I was wrong about the Sisterhood being forced on this little arc.

On another note, does Absinthe look like she's a love-struck anime girl in those last two panels?

So. on the subject of today's comic.

I wonder how this is gonna go down. How many people could Monique inspire to acually go ahead with a strike, andd how far will it go before the whole exercise is Bomf'd into dust?

I have a message from another time...

I gotta say, a good Bomfing marathon would do wonders for making the devil actually look like the bad guy he's supposed to be in this story. As it stands, he's actually looking a bit more lenient than my current employers.

edited 3rd Oct '13 10:14:58 PM by Metalix

"Egalitarian" is already broader (and at the same time more to the point) than "humanist". An egalitarian favors equality — for everyone, in every way. A humanist favors humans — presumably all humans equally, but it's not explicit on that point just in the name, and what if issues between human and nonhuman persons become a problem? Better just say up front "egalitarian", get right to the point and cover all the bases.

It'd be more accurate to say "a lot of issues that men face stem from the same dichotomy as issues that women face". Saying that all the problems men face are due to things which are part of patriarchy is tantamount to saying "you're oppressing yourselves" to men. Men and women are both oppressed by the same gender dichotomy. Men's rights and women's rights should be complementary causes. That doesn't mean that men's rights issues are a subset of women's rights issues.

Then I'll ask again—who is oppressing men?

Maybe you'd be less disappointed if you stopped expecting things to be Carmen Sandiego movies.

The same people oppressing women really. By which I mean both women and other men.

edited 3rd Oct '13 11:47:20 PM by imojee

Through the eyes I have known you.

Women, if you must insist finding someone. I might as well as make oppression up.

In reality, there is no-one actively oppressing men or women. Both are victims of outdated society models, models born from our early days. Our world moves faster thab iur societies do.

Good example of this is so called "male privileges". Almost all of these "privileges" are not actually privileges. Then there are also "female privileges", but nobody ever seems accept them.

You see, funny thing is, that women are equally privileged, just in certain matters. For example, how come "oppressed womans" life is held automatically more valuable than mans?

We live and have always lived in Oligarchy. Those with power, use that power to remain in power. There is no "Men oppress women to remain in power".

edited 4th Oct '13 12:41:07 AM by Mandemo