The Legend Of Zelda - General Thread

Something I think would be really cool for a future version of the Lost Woods is if they found a way to seemlessly load in more woods around you as you walk through them, so that walking endlessly in any direction gets you nowhere, like in the 2D games. That kind of thing probably isn't possible in BOTW's engine, but it's a technology that does exist and I think the series could find a lot of uses for it.

Sure its possible. Just put the "lost" version of the woods on a seperate map. Like how the Divine Beasts interiors are. Then have a trigger, like pulling the Master Sword, that undoes the spell making the Woods "Lost" and gets rid of the maze effect.

One thing that always baffled me was that most Youtube channels always uploaded an incomplete version of Gohdan's boss themes. It has three in total, but nearly every music channel (even the defunct GilvaSunner, not to be confused with the twisted parody channel SiIvaGunner) always uploaded the same version, which has the first variation, then the first half of the second and the second half of the third. Whenever I wanted to hear the missing parts, I always had to boot my game file dedicated to the Gohdan boss fight so I could hear it.

Some days ago, however, I posted in a music thread that a video finally presented the full version of all three Gohdan themes. And yesterday, I just found someone who uploaded extended versions of the always-halved second and third themes.

Another channel uploaded an extended version of the first phase, though it's only ten minutes long.

And finally, this was the video I had linked to in that music thread, which features all three themes back to back, though it only runs for two loops. That's okay, though, since it's what every channel that tried to upload the soundtrack of Wind Waker should have done anyway:

I was gonna say, if Mario 64 managed the shockingly seamless Endless Stairs in 1996, Breath could probably manage a fake "infinite" Lost Woods in 2017.

I prefer the way BotW handled it: creepy looking forest enveloped in mysterious fog that either warps you back to the beginning, or back to the nearest lit torch if you go the wrong way. The haunting background music and the Skullkid's laughter added to the mystique.

After all, it's called The Lost Woods, not the Endless Woods.

Edited by MiinU on Mar 24th 2024 at 1:52:53 AM

I just realized that BOTW's story, intentionally or not, subtly disses the people who want Zelda to go back to the way things were. Considering that the story is about the fallout of a Kingdom being destroyed because they refused to progress and stayed stagnant and complacent. Considering Nintendo's attitudes on returning to old Zelda, I imagine it was probably intentional.

I don't agree that its intentional, I think you might be seeing more then there is.

I mean the story works as a metaphor for the massive overhaul of a Soft Reboot the Wild saga is. Hyrule is destroyed and yet a new Hyrule began to grow from the ruins, just like BOTW burned everything down and built a new foundation for the franchise.

How about you make your "new foundation" somewhere else instead of burning a series that's already beloved? How about that?

Edited by FGHIK on Mar 24th 2024 at 5:24:08 AM

Breath of the wild did'nt burning anything down,it simply went for the more open world approach

And some people don't like open-world level design, as much as the industry likes to present it as the platonic ideal of game design.

And that's basically my problem with this argument every time it comes up, is that they treat people who miss the old Zelda design philosophy as clinging to nostalgia, instead of people with different tastes who are bummed that the series they liked isn't doing the things the liked any more.

And in case anyone asks; yes, I did play Breath of the Wild when it first came out, and no, I didn't really like it.

Edited by PhoenixAct on Mar 24th 2024 at 11:20:05 AM

The Wild Duology are two of the greatest games ever made in my opinion. Even as someone who, for awhile, held a resentment towards BOTW for making future classic-styled Zelda games very unlikely, BOTW was still my favorite, even above Twilight Princess. I'm now more at peace with the fact that the Zelda I grew up with was gone, since the new direction is quite excellent.

I mean, it's certainly not intentionally dissing anyone. Like maybe the plotline about Zelda failing to unlock the magic of her predecessors when she attempts to do so solely through adherence to tradition reflects the developers thoughts on their own work in some way (there are a surprising number of Zelda games that can be read as metaphors for their own positions in the franchise), but it's not responding to a particular group of critics of Breath of the Wild because the plot of Breath of the Wild was written before Breath of the Wild had been released.

Does it technically count as moving forwards and looking to the future when the tech you're studying is thousands of years old?

It's not like that kind of backlash was hard to predict though.

And that's completely fine, I'm not about to rag on you for having your own opinion.

But there's people out there, like myself, who generally have a dislike towards open world, and who certainly don't see it as the greatest thing since sliced bread.

The problem comes when people who liked the old style better getter treated like idiots clinging to their nostalgia, when it's a simple difference of opinion on what style you like more.

I don't think anyone has a wrong opinion (just wrong ways to express it, like trying to defend it by disregarding that of the others).

As someone who has enjoyed all Zelda games alike except Phantom Hourglass, I don't have a preference towards one or the other.

Also, I don't think Nintendo tried to "diss" anyone with the story of BOTW. It just uses a post-apocalyptic setting as a plot device, and it's not even the first game in the series to do it (Wind Waker also did it, and it never seemed like it was going to get rid of anything just because Hyrule got flooded).

BOTW and TOTK are my favourite Zelda games easily, but also I'm not gonna flip around and say that that means Ocarina of Time, Wind Waker, etc. aren't fantastic games or that I never want to see another game like them. But also also obviously the future of the Zelda series is not gonna be reverting back to a pre-BOTW era as if the massive critical and commercial success of the Wild duology never happened. But also also also that's good, to me, because I want more games from Aonuma, Fujibayashi, etc. that build off BOTW/TOTK more than I want another game like pre-BOTW Zelda.

I forget what point I was trying to make here. A maybe adjacent point is that I think Zelda should have a B-team so that there's not just one type of game being made at a time.

I just spent 10 minutes flowing down a river on my make-shift boat in Tot K. It was pleasant.

After several years and a new entry in the franchise, The Green Scorpion has released his remastered list of best bosses in every mainline game! (excluding final bosses, because those are supposed to be great)

He listed his worst bosses years ago, but here's his best!

Edited by Smasher on Apr 14th 2024 at 4:00:57 AM

Wow, nobody's commenting that video. Must be too long.

Anyway, since we got a new Zelda game every year of the Switch's cycle except 2022, (and even then we got MM on NSO) does anyone think a game will come out this year? (Most likely a remake of something?)

I doubt it, honestly.

I know people have been told by their "uncles who work at Nintendo" that the remasters of Wind Waker and Twilight Princess were on the way, but that feels too much like crying wolf by now.

At this point I would expect those to come out for the Switch 2, when that happens. The Switch is on its eighth year of life at this point.

I also didn't like Breath of the Wild. I thought it was boring and tedious, and I didn't even play Tears of the Kingdom, marking the first time I skipped a 3D Zelda.

If this series absolutely had to be assimilated into the Ubisoft-style open-world Borg, it should've used more of the classic iconography to make the transition easier. I want to play as Link, dammit, not We-Have-Ashitaka-at-Home. Would it kill them to make the Champion's Tunic green and give it a hat?

That being said, there's zero doubt in my mind we'll return to the ALttP/OoT formula eventually, no matter what Eiji Aonuma says. Everyone seems to agree that in "reimagining" Zelda, his team threw the baby out with the bath water, even fans of the Wild games. Everyone likes themed dungeons and Heart Pieces and hookshots and magic instruments and floppy green hats. It'll all come back. Sometimes to get to a Mario Galaxy, you have to grit your teeth through a Sunshine first.

Sunshine's a good (if flawed) game.