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Because Kinkajou told me to.

So yeah, anything about Final Fantasy! I guess this would make a good starting point: Which are your favorite games in the series and why?

My two all-time favorites are tied between Final Fantasy V and Final Fantasy IX. They're both very fun games that don't take themselves too seriously while still being legitimately emotional. On top of that, Zidane is my favorite Final Fantasy lead in the entire series. He's light-hearted, fun, and a generally nice guy to be around. FFV also has the advantage of having one of, if not the best, Job System in an FF game. Both FFV and FFIX make characters customizable while keeping them all unique in their own way. I'm also very fond of Final Fantasy I; it hasn't aged well, but it's classic, and like FFV, I played it tons as a kid.

I assume we'll drift around to various other FF-related discussions as the topic grows, right?

edited 3rd Nov '09 4:22:18 AM by Stark Maximum

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#52727: Jun 21st 2018 at 6:50:45 PM

He's clearly an adult by then, and age gaps like that happen.

edited 22nd Jun '18 5:14:58 AM by Hashil

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#52729: Jun 21st 2018 at 7:04:45 PM

It occurs to me how many plot point XII and XV share in backstory. I know saying FF games share plot points is Captain Obvious, but I mean beyond the usual.

  • A small kingdom whose Royal family possesses a magical crystal is conquered by a larger, more technologically advanced Empire wanting that crystal (I'm aware this one describes like, half the games in the franchise). In both cases the royal family is
  • The king of the kingdom is killed while singing a peace treaty with the empire. The death involves the betrayal of a knight close to the king who hails from a land the Empire conquered (Only in FFXII it's what the people believe, and it ain't true).
  • The king's heir is married to another small country whom the empire defeated and conquered prior to conquering the aforementioned kingdom.
  • The King's heir survives and leads the resistance against the empire.
  • Not directly related, but the Empires have contrasting names - Arcadian (Arcadia is a term often associated with Paradise, associated in Greek Myth as a Earthly paradise) and Niflheim (Norse myth: The world of darkness and cold, often associated with Hel)
  • Other point of contrast, Ashe has to turn her back on her family's relationship with the big magic rock. Noctis meanwhile needs to embrace it.

edited 21st Jun '18 7:37:03 PM by Ghilz

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#52730: Jun 21st 2018 at 8:22:51 PM

Also the other small country heir dies horribly and leaves their spouse with more than a few emotional scars.

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#52731: Jun 21st 2018 at 9:42:17 PM

Amusingly in the latest Dissidia patch, Vaan is compared to Prompto.

artfulscruff Since: Apr, 2010
#52732: Jun 22nd 2018 at 2:19:17 AM

I thought in FFXII that Ashe was around nineteen and Larsa fourteen. A relationship or marriage at those ages would certainly be eyebrow-raising, but five years is not such a big gap; if they were twenty-six and twenty-one for example, I see nothing wrong there.

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#52733: Jun 22nd 2018 at 4:56:36 AM

We're talking about royal families here. It could be much worse if they were historically accurate.

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#52734: Jun 22nd 2018 at 6:51:09 AM

Actually Larsa is 12 in XII (13 in RW).

edited 22nd Jun '18 8:36:57 PM by TheAirman

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#52735: Jun 22nd 2018 at 7:20:34 AM

...what?

Did you mean XII?

edited 22nd Jun '18 7:21:05 AM by Soble

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#52736: Jun 22nd 2018 at 7:24:46 AM

Amusingly in the latest Dissidia patch, Vaan is compared to Prompto.

I can see it.

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#52737: Jun 22nd 2018 at 8:34:45 PM

Random thought: Thancred looks like Hope's older brother.

ED: Or, given that there's about a 20 year age gap between them, his father.

edited 22nd Jun '18 8:35:36 PM by asterism

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#52738: Jun 22nd 2018 at 8:36:43 PM

[up][up][up]Yes XII, thanks for catching that.

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#52739: Jun 23rd 2018 at 3:36:28 AM

I was more curious if XIII and XII had some other connection I didn't know about.

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#52740: Jun 23rd 2018 at 6:05:48 AM

Lol no, I just typed too many "I"s. 13 has nothing to do with Ivalice.

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sgamer82 Since: Jan, 2001
#52741: Jun 23rd 2018 at 7:35:36 AM

He's clearly an adult by then, and age gaps like that happen.
Especially among nobility, though with the genders usually the other way around, iirc.
Going back to the favorite FF discussion from the last page, I grew up on the SNES and didn't get to play the Playstation 1 FF games until much later. I was playing Final Fantasies 4 and 6 back then they were still 2 and 3.

As a result they're the ones with a special place in my heart, with 4 coming in first because, while 6 might be objectively the better game, 4 was one of the first ones I played on my own, my first exposure to the idea of paladins (such that when I play one in games like Wow my character names are, if not Cecil, than some variation of like Selick or Celci) and a Child Mage OC of mine is at least half-inspired by Rydia note 

That said, Kefka is one of the first characters to come to mind when thinking of the Evil Laugh trope.

Side note: I had a thought that if Rydia does appear in Kingdom Hearts, it'd be hilarious is she was a summon. Basically you'd summon the summoner who summons more summons.

edited 23rd Jun '18 7:39:23 AM by sgamer82

MightyKombat Since: Jan, 2001
#52742: Jun 23rd 2018 at 8:23:27 AM

Well I wouldn't argue

Also good idea: A Sabin summon where he suplexes a train onto the Heartless. Fuck yeah.

sgamer82 Since: Jan, 2001
#52743: Jun 23rd 2018 at 8:25:30 AM

Gain Sabin as a party member then fight a Heartless Train. The Suplex becomes an actual cutscene that leaves Sora and Donald/Goofy wondering what in the hell just happened.

Hashil Since: Aug, 2010
#52744: Jun 23rd 2018 at 8:27:22 AM

Half the fun of it is that it's just a standard command they forgot to make that particular boss immune to.

Turning it into a cutscene the player has no input on would take away some of the magic of it for me.

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MightyKombat Since: Jan, 2001
#52746: Jun 23rd 2018 at 8:44:47 AM

[up][up] Yet Square didn't have the heart to fix it. I managed to suplex the train in the Android version of 6 and I loved it

Hashil Since: Aug, 2010
#52747: Jun 23rd 2018 at 8:46:27 AM

They tend not to fix bugs or oversights the fan base likes.

The Peninsula of Power is still around and they still let an item's index value determine its critical hit rate after dozens of FFI ports.

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Brightness
#52748: Jun 23rd 2018 at 9:08:29 AM

It’s a feature, not a bug

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#52750: Jun 23rd 2018 at 9:21:05 AM

Personally, I think that the Peninsula of Power was accidental, but the hallways of giants wasn't. The latter seems like something you'd do on purpose, and I heard that it's mentioned in the NES version's strategy guide.

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