Dragon Age

"Have we ever actually met a honest abomination in a non-violent setting?"

Wynne.

But you can have a whole conversation with Wynne that establishes that one has to power-hungry and insane to be an abomination. As Wynne is neither she's not an abomination.

Two abominations come to mind. Wynne is technically one with her Faith Spirit. There's also an Avvar in Jaws of Hakkon who has a 'teacher spirit' that they don't seperate themselves.

Spoiler tags, brother. The DLC just came out a few scant weeks ago.

Err... technically Wynne could be considered an abomination. The spirit itself isn't trying to control her, but she is still possessed, though why the Spirit of Faith hasn't turned into a Demon of Fanaticism or something is unknown. Maybe because there isn't a real mean bone in the old lady?

edited 22nd Apr '15 8:51:54 PM by ITNW1989

I haven't played Jaws of Hakkon. Is said teacher spirit an insane selfish blood-thirsty monster completely suppressing it's human host and callously trampling over others in it's desire to get what it wants?

Because that's what I'm talking about. I don't mean a character who's "an abomination but not really." I mean like what if one of the options with dealing with Imshael was "Hey wanna come work for the Inquisition?"

It'd be stupidly dangerous but so is recruiting Morinth.

"Is there anything in real life that doesn't have corruption?"

That's a BS answer. The point is that there is corruption and people were being mind raped and PHYSICALLY raped because of it. It presents an issue in the system that was not corrected by the system itself but by an outsider killing the guy creating the issue.

Just because nothing will be perfect doesn't excuse corruption to persist, especially harmful coruption.

Also, sorry about the spoiler. It's been 2 months. Idk what the restrictions are because we stopped spoilering Flemeth and Solas about December and January.

edited 22nd Apr '15 9:02:07 PM by InkDagger

^^^ Spirits of Faith seem pretty passive in general. There's the one with Wynne, who seems no worse for wear despite it's presence, and Evangeline seems to be no different when it transfers to her, on top of the fact that Faith Spirits are used to make Seekers from Tranquil.

One month, actually. But if that's the case, carry on, then, I suppose. I was just thinking it's kinda early to give out spoilers so quickly.

Anyway, moving on. The fact that the Templars needed an outsider to fix the problem of Ser Alrik is troubling itself. Honestly it makes me wonder why the hell it took the Seekers of Truth took so long before they decided to investigate the city. Maker, rumors of their corruption have been going on since Act II, and Leli doesn't show up until 3 years later.

The problem with the templars is a lack of unbiased oversight. Even Cassandra admits that the Seekers weren't watching the templars as closely as they should have been.

Doesn't the trip from Ferelden to Kirkwall in the intro take 6 monnths?

If so you can assume with perfect reaction, it would take the seekers 1 year to react.

6 months to get the message, 6 months to do any thing.

This is not modern times, messages and travel are not instant, crossing any significant water body takes... time.

I may be wrong about the time-frames though.

edited 22nd Apr '15 9:35:07 PM by Imca

But the Hawkes set sail from Gwaren didn't they? So they had to sail around the whole of Fereldan.

Where are the Seekers based? Probably Val Royeux right? And doesn't Val Royeux have a direct connection by water to whatever that sea is that borders Kirkwall? So they should've been able to get there faster.

True, they probably would have got there faster then, but I doubt it would have been instant, and even under ideal circumstances a fairly significant amount of time.

I'm inclined to believe Leli was in Orlais, as she was appointed by the Divine to investigate Kirkwall. Far as I can tell, it shouldn't take that long by sea to travel from Val Royeaux to Kirkwall, probably a few weeks at most. And I doubt she'd have gone without a couple ravens to send back. I'm just saying, 3 years is a mighty long time to react to anything, even for a medieval setting like Thedas. It's all as theLibrarian said, I'm pretty sure it was mostly a matter of the Seekers not having a tight enough pulse on the Order.

I'm not sure if time should be a decent excuse since Hawke and Stroud/Alistair/Loghain are perfectly fine with saying "Hey, meet me at this abandoned Tevinter Outpost on the other side of the continent" and they arrive at the same time as you no matter what and no one sees the issue with this plan.

Well, Loghain and Alistair camp out at Skyhold...imma guessing that convo happened offscreen. "So, fugitive Warden, are you sticking in the cave? 'Cause I have a party to go in Halamshiral..." Hawke probably holes up in the tavern contemplating life choices.

edited 22nd Apr '15 10:47:19 PM by Phoenixflame

We could go completely meta and go put a bomb in the house of those who have a different opinion about Dragon Age 2.

"Doesn't the trip from Ferelden to Kirkwall in the intro take 6 monnths?"

That's because Hawke and co were dumbasses and went to Gwaren, in the extreme south of the country, where a ship would have to sail along the eastern shore, and then back into the Waking Sea to get into Kirkwall. If they took the trip from anywhere on the northern coast of Ferelden, it probably only would have taken a couple weeks. That's like saying "I live in Birmingham, wanna sail to France, so I should ride all the way up to Inverness first."

The boat ride took two weeks (said so in the narration).

Also, while they planned on Gwaren beforehand, Flemeth got them there. I doubt she takes kindly to backseat driving if they suddenly realized they were going the longass way.

Actually, going to Gwaren might have been a pretty smart idea. Loook at it this way; Darkspawn are EVERYWHERE. Gwaren is South Fereldan and would take longer, sure, but it gets everyone out of the Darkspawn infested land a lot faster than it would to try and make their way North. ESPECIALLY if they're barely surviving their escape from Lothering.

Indeed. Gwaren was the closest and I'm pretty sure it survives the Blight, too.

Gwaren gets burned down. The people flee, but the holding is destroyed. Bodahn talks about it at one point. I'm glad it gets put to the torch—any fief that follows Loghain deserves no less.

edited 23rd Apr '15 1:17:03 PM by CrimsonZephyr

Oh come on most of the people their had no way of knowing what happened at Ostagar. And considering what the Darkspawn did to any women they captured....nobody deserves that.

By that vein every single German should be put to the torch as well - or the gas chambers. No one nation, city or village should be vilified for the actions of one man, especially when they weren't even involved in the first place.

Treason is treason.

So you'd condemn a bunch of villagers who, realistically, would never have even been included in the planning process? Seriously? Why not kill all the Kirkwall Templars for what Meredith did. Or every single Seeker of Truth for Lucius' actions. You're condemning a group of innocents just because they happened to be under the rule of one tyrant. That's already arguably worse than what Loghain did. Frankly, if it was a choice between someone like you and Loghain, there'd be no need to guess as to who would get to live.

edited 23rd Apr '15 6:19:32 PM by ITNW1989