Content Violations Review: Creator.The Transformistress

Primary editor justified himself this way when creating the page:

This site defines Pornography as "the explicit portrayal of sexual subject matter solely for the purpose of sexual arousal". I believe that this creator's content does not fit that description, as sex is not always involved, and not solely for titillation when it is. Therefore, I do not believe that I am violating Content Policy by creating this page.

Upon research, I can affirm the following:

• Sex is indeed involved, and not as Porn with Plot. What plot there is is largely an Excuse Plot in service for the paraphilias on display in the comics, which are transformations of various nature clearly played for arousal/fetish fuel.
• "Not solely for titillation" is misleading, as the works, I believe, are for titillation themselves and have heavy fetishitic undertones. Regardless of softcore or hardcore, it remains blatant porn, which goes against site policy.

Moreso, one particular trope example led to further discovery:

• Animorphism: While some of Mira's works involve anthropomorphic animal people (ex. "Two Smol Mice", "Voodoo-ed", "Mascot Mask Off", "The Queen Bee", "L L Toe Beans"), "Gym Rat" (a Sequel Episode to "Hit the Showers") has a jealous witch curse a popular woman (who used to be a guy that she had already cursed once after he accidentally wandered into the women's changing room while distracted) into the form of a mouse; this comic used to have both a "furry" and "feral" version of the transformation publicly available, but the latter has since been delisted.

For the record, the "feral" version that has been delisted can still be found around the web, and goes from paraphilic comic into blatant bestiality.

Some tropers have wondered if there is a Bleached Underpants version of the works in question. From what little I have seen, I can safely say: nay. All works are at the bare minimum blatant softcore pornography almost entirely revolving around transformation fetish and with Excuse Plots, something the page itself puts on display:

• Author Appeal: To quote Mira's official Patreon account, "I make transformation and gender transformation art, as well as other 18+ content. I love what I do, and this page is for anyone who wants to help support me doing it." More specifically, she has a preference for male-to-female transformations, at least in part due to her own status as a trans woman.

\\1 EDIT: Spaced out paragraphs to make easier to read.

Edited by GearFriedTheKnight on Jan 7th 2024 at 9:05:22 PM

Opening.

"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman

Just by reading the OP, I don't even have to view the work to know this needs to be cut.

Edited by opal6561 on Jan 7th 2024 at 11:07:29 AM

Am I that troper? Maybe, maybe not, the world may never know.

Uh dunno has anyone read these

I've played Mice Tea by the same author which is fine to have in the site.

Maybe rewrite on only public works like that.

"That's right mortal. By channeling my divine rage into power, I have forged a new instrument in which to destroy you."

From a quick glance at Mice Tea's page, it has a Bleached Underpants version (although the page image proudly advertises it as "An 18+ Transformation Visual Novel"), and, again from a quick glance, it clears the porn/paraphilia-to-plot ratio. ...In spite of that, that page probably needs a trip to the Lewdness thread for a trim from some examples I saw.

The works reported, the ones on the creator's page, all public barring the one exception, do not have Bleached Underpants versions, nor clear the porn/paraphilia-to-plot ratio from what I saw. The page itself near exclusively contains tropes that ultimately, entirely dance around the main paraphilia: some are described coyly, but reading between the lines and reading the comics will get one to notice policy violations.

Now, I will lean towards CUT as the one who reported it (if my opinion, a droplet in the ocean, is even important), but... from what I can get, the alternative would be to take a chainsaw to the current page (and the few examples scattered around TVTropes, since those I saw were all related to the NSFW, non-compliant comics) and leave the SFW, policy-respecting works — which I believe might only be Mice Tea. My worry at that point would be if such changes could be done and enforced, which is why I will, for the moment, continue to lean towards CUT for this specific page.

EDIT: Also, weren't we discussing on how Creator pages should not have tropes specific to singular works on top of not troping their real lives to begin with?

Edited by GearFriedTheKnight on Jan 7th 2024 at 10:08:25 AM

Keep. If individual works are a problem, they should be brought up separately.

I think Jay Naylor is a good precedent. We ruled to only keep his sfw works. Not his porn ones

"That's right mortal. By channeling my divine rage into power, I have forged a new instrument in which to destroy you."

True. So "keep only SFW versions of works?"

Edited by Ramidel on Jan 7th 2024 at 11:17:36 AM

Well I mean at least in mice teas case one which still has more plot than porn.

"That's right mortal. By channeling my divine rage into power, I have forged a new instrument in which to destroy you."

I have yet to find "SFW" versions of the comics in question. If by "SFW" the troper meant "no hardcore porn or no nudity", then that's a misuse, because the comics are still softcore porn with a focus on transformation fetish.

Mmm. Looking at the page, these stories seem to have more plot than pure titillation.

I'm going to reiterate my keep vote at this point.

The page itself seems to have several valid and detailed tropes, indicating there's some actual story here, though I haven't checked on her actual artwork yet. Even if it's fetish work, it seems like there's enough distinct plays on it to potentially justify a page. But maybe it's just that she has a lot of work and thus even the Excuse Plots have enough to bloat a page when put all together.

Reading some specific examples, though, the detail might work against its case.

Edited by mightymewtron on Jan 8th 2024 at 4:21:54 AM

I do some cleanup and then I enjoy shows you probably think are cringe.

I checked some of the works out in question, which is why I am so adamant in believing it violates the policy with flying colors. On one side, there are a lot of comics, I can confirm that. On the other side, a lot the troping on the page is what I like to call "super-verbose and super-detailed".

It's not a bad thing necessarily, a lot of other legit pages have that (daily comic panels with zero plot or arcs ever or characters whose characterization is a two-paragraph bio), but it can make any work look like it has more meat on its bones than what it has.

Hoi, so I'm actually a colleague of Mira's (take what you will regarding objectivity of the matter from that) and I heavily disagree with the assertions that this is an invalid page, especially the metric that "the plot is all an excuse for porn." Her artwork can be rather adult and she makes no bones about some of it being fetishistic in nature, but 1) those are just one version of a lot of her works (pretty much all of her work has safer-for-work versions that are no less inappropriate than a load of other Transformation Comics listed on the site — often the 18+ versions just have less clothing), and 2) her fiction is very much not just Excuse Plot.

As listed in the page itself, her work is very much for transpositivity, and many of the accompanying stories to her shorter pinup pieces can be really long and feature very little in the way of explicit content — most are about a lot more innocent, wholesome side of personal identity and gender euphoria, sometimes touching on darker themes like abuse and dysphoria, and with little fetishistic presentation. She's also really big on internal continuity — many of her stories feature little in-jokes and Mythology Gags to past stories, which are again, rarely fetishistic in nature.

While the cases of artwork can vary from time to time as to whether it's "tame transpositive artwork with saucier versions for adult fans" or "raunchy artwork with bowdlerized alternatives", her stories are very much the tasteful kind of "adult". Pointing at this one SFW quasi-Bowsette parody as a more accessible example of her work to assess for yourself. But to summarize: she does do fetishistic work, but it's not the end-all-be-all of what her work is, and there's a lot of "meat" on the bones.

Also this bit:

Erm, maybe the fact that it's been delisted by the creator itself is a hint that that's something that they disagree with and probably wouldn't want to see representative of their entire catalogue of work? Just saying, Bury Your Art and Creator Backlash can be things. (also I'm pretty sure if I'm remembering the comic correctly that no actual sex or implication of sex with animals happened in that version, so I have to be really sus on "blatant beastiality" — either Mira or her client who commissioned it probably just preferred the anthro/furry version)

I vote to keep — there's a lot of misrepresentation from what OP asserts, and actually knowing the context of the content, I can safely say that at worst, it's still Porn with Plot, but is handled in an otherwise mature and artistically valid way that it's perfectly fine to keep around, at least in the same capacity as we do for similarly raunchy webcomics like Oglaf.

Edited by number9robotic on Jan 14th 2024 at 9:52:03 AM

Thanks for playing King's Quest V!

If I misrepresented anything, I do apologize about it, but I did not do it out of bad faith; the report was born from what I personally saw. If I didn't see everything, then I was myopic, and I will fully admit that. I will stand by what I said about Gym Rat, though, I clearly remember both versions having a Rated R ending, it was on a separate page IIRC which made it easier to have it go Bleached Underpants.

Moreso, you admit yourself a lot of the artwork is fetishitic in nature, even though accompanying written pieces move away from that and focus on very important themes. Issue is, AFAIK (so I could easily be wrong), some of it is Patreonlocked. I don't know if the artist gradually releases it after some time there, I'm just saying what isn't released can't be troped per the rules.

In any case, I am willing to change my vote to BLEACHED UNDERPANTS ONLY as with Oglaf, Peter Is The Wolf, and similar other works, which would mean going through everything on a case-by-case basis and trimming the page accordingly.

EDIT: Moreso, the page is, nonetheless, in violation of the rules regarding Creator pages.

Unless the rules have changed for individual comics too small to have their own pages?

Edited by GearFriedTheKnight on Jan 15th 2024 at 12:53:55 PM

Huh? Oglaf isn't Bleached Underpants only (if there even is such a version). We kept the whole thing.

Edited by Ramidel on Jan 15th 2024 at 1:24:39 AM

...I was genuinely not aware of that, as by lurking I thought it had gotten the Bleached Underpants treatment like Peter Is The Wolf. My bad.

With the content of the page as it stands right now, there is demonstrably enough non-sex/porn-related matters in her catalogue that can be documented, regardless of brevity (and again, while she often frames her comics/stories very episodically, she also does have continuity and consistent mythos binding certain stories when she can). I can't see anything else on the page that's objectionable to or in violation of wiki policy beyond that — like with Oglaf, the page doesn't even link to any of her comics/sites/social media, even the SFW versions.

Thanks for playing King's Quest V!

Changing my vote to bleach

Am I that troper? Maybe, maybe not, the world may never know.

Except the page already is "bleached". The only bowdlerised versions of her content are artwork, and the page doesn't document her fetish/porn artwork as the original fetish/porn versions to begin with. The stories attached remain unchanged, and are "adult" within a reasonably mature, non-titillating manner.

Thanks for playing King's Quest V!

So is there anything further to be said? Reiterating that nothing about TFM is offensive or obscene as adult media, and the page handles her work properly in the way we would for other adult web media with official SFW versions, of which we have longstanding precedent for on the wiki.

Edited by number9robotic on Jan 18th 2024 at 2:34:29 AM

Thanks for playing King's Quest V!

Right now, we're waiting for more people to chime in because we don't have a consensus yet.

Keep the page by the way. Don't see a need to do anything if what's troped here already has clean versions

"That's right mortal. By channeling my divine rage into power, I have forged a new instrument in which to destroy you."

Keep

• Bleached Underpants only: Gear Fried The Knight, opal6561
• Keep: Ramidel, miraculous, number9robotic, Demon Duckof Doom

So it's looking like we don't need to do anything?