House of the Dragon (Game of Thrones prequel)

Targs are just the worst in general.

Fuckin' targs.

EDIT: This may be the most fitting pagetopper in my whole career in GOT/ASOIAF related threads.

Edited by Gaon on Oct 6th 2021 at 7:10:09 AM

Yet everyone loves them and everyone wants to be them.

I'm more of a Stark guy.

Although, given my political leanings, I'd be more of a Brotherhood Without Banners/The Shepherd (if we're talking Dance of Dragons) guy.

x2 I'm not really a fan of them either.

Edited by Asherinka on Oct 6th 2021 at 9:42:20 PM

Neither was anyone at the time the story started who wasn’t swooning over Rhaegar or Dany, lbr.

But yeah, I don’t know if I’ve seen white hair done really well in live-action.

Edited by Synchronicity on Oct 7th 2021 at 2:02:43 PM

Who is the worst? It's a tossup between the Targs, the Lannisters, the Boltons, and the Freys.

I guess in terms of just how much death and destruction their inability to get their shit together causes, the Targs are the worst.

Think that the Targs are the worst purely on the basis that they had the most power for the longest time and as such their fuck ups had the most collateral damage.

A brand new trailer for the August 2022 series has dropped, alongside character posters:

Edited by XMenMutant22 on May 5th 2022 at 5:47:50 AM

Ah, I saw that on You Tube earlier today. It looks pretty promising, plus since the Dance was already an established event in canon (and Martin wrote a book that went through it) I imagine that the writers can't fuck it up again, even if Benioff and Weiss are nowhere near this project.

The thing that this show is going to struggle with is that the Dance is an absolute clusterfuck of events, locations, and the need to be able to keep track of the actions of about 40 characters simultaneously.

Yeah. Even reading about the war on the wiki I have difficulty remembering which Targaryen was in what faction, or even who the Greens and Blacks were. I think the Greens were Rhaenyra and Viserys was the Blacks?

The Greens center around Alicent primarily supported by the Hightowers whose claim is that as the latest wife of Viserys I who bore him his only male children, her children should be crowned king per societal standards of preferring male heirs. Their faction color is based on Alicent's green dress.

The Blacks center around Rhaenyra primarily supported by the Velaryons whose claim is that as the direct oldest child of Viserys I, she should be crowned queen per right of primogeniture. Their faction color is based on the black coloration from Targaryen coat of arms, which was the color of Rhaenyra's dress.

Edited by Nouct on May 7th 2022 at 10:57:37 AM

I remember that Rhaenyra actually was picked by Viserys I to be the next ruler of Westeros, the issue was that Heir Club for Men went into full effect after a good amount of debate at Harrenhal put Viserys II on the throne instead.

Edited by theLibrarian on May 8th 2022 at 7:37:39 AM

New trailer released.

Edited by jjjj2 on Jul 20th 2022 at 3:11:20 PM

They had a constitutional convention equivalent to make sure that Rhae was recognized as his heir in lieu of male issue. Then her father went and had a male heir but with the understanding that Rhae would still be the queen.

It was also complicated by the fact Rhae had a particularly scandalous marital life with questions of her eldest children's parentage due to the fact her husband was a gay man.

Edited by CharlesPhipps on Jul 20th 2022 at 12:50:34 PM

Yeah, the "A World of Ice and Fire" reference book points out the whole sordid affair. A Great Council with lord in the realm present to hear arguments and basically decide "Yeah a woman shouldn't be Queen of the Seven Kingdoms".

It's probably the best reason for a dynastic conflict; your father literally says "You're my oldest child, you'll be queen" and then the realm says "No because girl" and your throne is literally stolen from you.

I am so excited about this.

It's gotten me back into GOT.

Edited by CharlesPhipps on Jul 24th 2022 at 3:14:10 AM

https://unitedfederationofcharles.blogspot.com/2022/07/why-im-watching-house-of-dragon.html

Why I'm watching House of the Dragon!

Some of these HBO pitches are utterly wild. The only ones I'm interested in are SNOW, HOUSE OF THE DRAGON, and DUNK AND EGG.

So, from some of the supposed 'leaks' that have been circulating, I feel that (if they are legit) people supporting one side or the other are gonna be mad. Some of the Blacks and Greens are going to be 'blackwashed', while others will be whitewashed. Now, some of the plot points coming from leakers are, I feel, trolling (like a little incident with Alicent and Larys, if Tarantino were a director on this show).

FIFY.

Also, that's the sort of thing that just has to happen with an adaptation like this. Since the Dance of Dragons was always referred to as an historical event, relative to the rest of the SOIAF series, there are things that are described in contradictory ways.

Take...the Duel of the Cargyll Twins. One account is that they killed each other fast and used their last words on hate and recriminations. Another is that they fought a long, romantic duel and died as dutiful warriors and loving brothers.

An adaptation almost has to pick one or the other, unless they decide to go all Rashomon with it...and you can't really do that with an entire series.

To be fair, the Greens have always had less sympathy than the Blacks but part of the Central Theme of the story is the Blacks get a lot nastier as the war gets on and the violence gets a lot more personal from the Greens.

So it's a Black-and-Gray Morality tale where people get worse.

But Aegon II was always scum.

Or if you want the historical version, Rhaenyra is Isabelle of France, queen of England and mother of Edward the IIIrd, while Alicent's eldest kid is Philippe the VIth of Valois.

That's exactly the quarrel that (among other things) started the Hundred Years War.

A GOT series where the discourse will have no nitpicks about "what is/isn't/is different in the books" already looks interesting enough for me. No source material means that the show will have to stand on its own, we should quickly see whether it does or not.

This has a source material, namely "appendices" and about 50% of Fire and Blood. It just isn't a a direct adaptation.

Edited by Gaon on Aug 4th 2022 at 8:55:54 AM

Oh dear. Well I hope that source material is not fetishized as much as A Song of Ice and Fire was.