Death Battle cleanup

I'd say Weiss vs. Mitsuru counts, considering how Mitsuru No-Sell'd all of Weiss' attacks and could just heal to full. She also had a much bigger power advantage, as well as durability. It's a Curb-Stomp Battle, IMO. There wasn't really anything Weiss could do against Mitsuru do to the only stat they're equal in being speed.

We are only including fights the hosts explicitly call one-sided and/or it's one-sided in the animation (which it almost never is.)

removing more obvious examples

• Black Panther vs. Batman Wiz: This fight was quite close but Batman lost for quite a few reasons

• Jotaro vs Kenshiro Wiz: Well, all Kenshiro needed to do to win was just get one hit in, but this matchup was far closer than that makes it seem.

• Crash vs. Spyro Wiz: Even with his extraordinary puzzle-solving skills, Crash was simply overwhelmed, but surprisingly, this wasn't nearly as one-sided as it looked on paper.

• Leon Kennedy vs. Frank West Wiz: Frank's cheeky strategies and endlessly creative arsenal certainly put up a good fight, but in the end, Leon just had him beat in nearly every other category.

Decided to bring it here after talking to once of the guys.

Concerning the Sasuke vs. Hiei Death Battle match, the post-battle analysis appears to make the battle one-sided in Hiei's favor.

Evidence to back it up

• Hiei's abilities hard-countered each and every of Sasuke's abilities
  • Jagan nullifies whatever techniques Sasuke's Sharingan can throw at him.
  • Being born from a fire and ice demon and having elemental resistances and an immunity to and affinity with the Darkness Flame rendered the powerful Amaterasu, which can burn other flames, ineffectual on him, and Sasuke's bread-and-butter attacks like the Chidori useless. Amaterasu's weakness is further emphasized by Hiei's Darkness Flame not being spiritual energy and thus Sasuke cannot absorb it into chakra for his own via Preta Path, whereas Hiei can absorb Sasuke's Amaterasu as it is spiritual energy. Also, Naruto and Kaguya have both proven it‘s possible to counter Amaterasu‘s effects, adding more to its weakness compared to the Darkness Flame.
  • Hiei being able to fight as a disembodied spirit renders Sasuke's Human Path ineffectual on him.
• The huge power gap. Sasuke is an equal to Naruto and Hiei is an equal to Yusuke, so they naturally scale to their respective counterparts in terms of speed, power output and durability. To compare, Yusuke's punch with Yomi generated an explosion that was 4.5 million meters in height, which would require 285 zettatons of TNT (285 sextillion tons of TNT or 285*10^21 tons of TNT) to pull it off, 10555.5556 times greater than the Golden Wheel Reincarnation Explosion (which sliced the moon in half) that Naruto (Sasuke's equal) tanked, which measured at 27 exatons of TNT (27 quintillion tons of TNT or 27*10^18 tons of TNT), and almost 783 million times greater than Sasuke's Susanoo meteor feat (which measured at 364 teratons of TNT or 364 trillion tons of TNT or 364*10^12). Also, Sasuke's speed advantage wasn't all that advantageous compared to Hiei, and Wiz even said that Hiei would still be leagues above Sasuke if he was only half as strong as Yusuke, his equal.

Agree or disagree that the battle was a curb-stomp in Hiei's favor?

Edited by Tehrannotaur on Oct 1st 2020 at 9:18:15 AM

The hosts explicitly call that matchup close so it's not a curb-stomp. Again, we are only including fights the hosts explicitly call one-sided.

But... they don't call it close, I watched the video?

The post-battle analysis appeared to contradict Wiz calling it close. He even said that Hiei would still be leagues above Sasuke if he was half as powerful as his equal Yusuke.

Edited by Tehrannotaur on Oct 2nd 2020 at 10:48:50 AM

Yeah he's both practically immune to Sasuke's strongest attacks and more powerful... I'd venture to say that analysis goes a long way to making that one of the more major curbstomps. I can totally understand mistakenly thinking it's somehow close if you watch the analysis as "ok here's how Sasuke somehow loses" though.

Also I still can't agree with Jotaro vs Kenshiro being removed. Saying "it was closer than 'he dies in 1 punch' would make it seem" in no way makes it not ridiculously one sided, especially when Star Platinum is outright stated to be unable to hurt Kenshiro.

Same with Astro Boy vs Mega Man, which isn't even given a reason for removal... all Mega man is able to do is stall the inevitable according to them

And ah, is there even any reason to remove War Machine vs Genos?

The one and only reason listed was "Death battle states that Genos is a strong hero" and that's basically it right?

EDIT: I'm noticing a lot of these being removed for no reason. Ganandorf vs Dracula's animation is ridiculously one sided and it was removed for the reason of death battle saying Ganandorf held his own... which is actually a mishearing of Ganandorf has held his own (As in not-in-the-battle)

Edited by Happyfrybreath on Oct 2nd 2020 at 11:10:13 AM

well the agreed rule was "Allow examples where the analysis describes the matchup as one-sided, even if the animation shows a close fight." It did not mention wether the hosts called it one-sided or not.

We are only including examples of match ups the hosts explicitly describe as an easy one-side win for the victor. It does not matter if the analysis reveals a huge power gap between the fighters, if they do not call the fight a curb-stomp and/or conclude that it would be a close match or the loser would still but up a good fight against the winner then it should not be there.

We are going purely on how the hosts describe the match up regardless on whether or not you disagree with them or you think they're contradicting themselves.

Edited by captainpat on Oct 2nd 2020 at 12:45:46 PM

Ok since we are going off the host's analysis, let's transcribe some of them here (I have taken the liberty of removing elements unrelated to the fight and summarizing longer statements)

"While Genos was certainly a threat on the field of battle, War Machine held a solid advantage in many different aspects. He's been doing this for way longer. At his best, Genos could move the Elder centipede, but War Machine could output way more power (18215.5x as much if you wanna get specific). He's also a lot quicker. However even if Genos could get a hit in, he had no way to counter Rhody's energy drain or ghost tech. Genos was strong, but War Machine overwhelmed him."

Look I'm sorry but how on earth is that not the hosts calling this one sided? Even the animation is indicative of it, and we still include non-combatant examples of that.

Let's do another one removed for not explicitly being called one sided :D

"There was a lot going on here. They had similar reaction speeds, brilliance, and arsenals. Dracula has magic Ganon didn't have though, like ripping out souls (Boomstick: "Something Ganon's never had to guard against", The footnotes also mention that Dracula would likely be able to do so). Also he's survived attacks 1000x more powerful (the # given for Dracula's is actually an even greater #x stronger than the # given for Ganon's) than Ganon making him more durable. Ganon could maybe get a strike in with a weapon he had capable of killing Dracula a few times in 1000, but this wouldn't likely happen since Dracula both had insane regeneration and a better way to kill Ganon using his holy nuke. The Triforce might have the power of a planet if you highball it, but the Chaos Entity holds up an entire reality, making it leagues stronger, and since these two function as power sources for Ganon and Dracula respectively..."

(After all this, Ganondorf and Dracula are compared to an AA battery and a car battery, which itself seems like the hosts calling it one sided)

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I think the point I'm trying to make here is the fact that that they elaborately explained why this is one-sided does not mean they didn't say it was one sided

It especially does not mean that it isn't one sided

Edited by Happyfrybreath on Oct 2nd 2020 at 2:19:40 AM

Neither of those fights where called one-sided. This is the problem with a lot of entries on this page. Editors are being very selective with what the hosts say and are coming up with their own conclusions.

In both fights the hosts describe a massive power gap between the two fighters yet explicitly stated the loser would put up a good fight against the winner.

Wiz: Ganondorf certainly held his own, but Dracula's more varied magic, greater regeneration, and enormous reserves of power sealed this desert warlock's fate.

Wiz: Genos was certainly a serious threat in the field of battle. However, Rhodes held a solid advantage in many different aspects.

Edited by captainpat on Oct 2nd 2020 at 3:16:09 AM

Neither of those fights where called one-sided. This is the problem with a lot of entries on this page. Editors are being very selective with what the hosts say and are coming up with their own conclusions.

That's why I gave examples above to justify my point. I do agree that people were being too lenient, but most of the ones removed in this last wave of editing were pretty blatantly Curbstomps, and before I re-add any again, I will post my reasons here.

In both fights the hosts describe a massive power gap between the two fighters yet explicitly stated the loser would put up a good fight against the winner.

They do not. Let's clarify this right now.

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Wiz: Ganondorf certainly held his own, but Dracula's more varied magic, greater regeneration, and enormous reserves of power sealed this desert warlock's fate.

I completely understand why you think he said that, but he does not.

He says "Ganondorf's certainly held his own" (Or Ganondorf has certainly held his own) which is not even referring to the battle (He does admittedly say it weird). Same with Genos below, that they say he's a threat in battle... doesn't mean he specifically did well in this one at all.

Wiz: Genos was certainly a serious threat in the field of battle. However, Rhodes held a solid advantage in many different aspects.

Again I understand why you think this is calling it a close call. Read my above argument for the War Machine argument, but allow me to point out that "He was a serious threat on the field of battle" is a general term and does not refer to him being a threat to win this battle, indeed given the seriousness of the power gap AS DESCRIBED BY THEM, it is most certainly not.

Even if I agreed with your interception of those lines. We are only including entries of fights the hosts explicitly call curb-stomps. Describing a large power gap between the characters is not enough the hosts must explicitly call the fight an easy one-sided stomp for the winner. If they are not explicitly doing that then the fight shouldn't be listed.

But almost none of the matches in the entirety are explicitly described as curbstomps (We'd have to remove almost all of them), so this is selective at best?

(BTW If you actually have a reason not to accept my reading of those lines, for the love of banjo please share them)

Let's do a hypothetical Death Battle of Spider-Man vs Darkseid and throw in the same arguments used above to remove some of losses from the Curbstomp section

During this hypothetical Death Battle, Spidey lasts a few seconds by dodging the eye beams, before Darkseid squishes Spidey with telekinesis. Time for a post battle analysis

Wiz: "So Darkseid could kill Spidey with a telekinetic squish at any time, but Spider-Man's spider sense and reflexes made this a closer matchup than that might make it sound."

Boomstick: "Yeah he could kinda dodge those omega beams, which made Darkseid actually use his hands during the fight"

Wiz: "Ultimately though this was stalling the inevitable. Using our TNT math, we discovered that Darkseid is actually billions of times stronger than Spidey, and Spidey couldn't actually harm him whatsoever."

Boomstick: "Yeah Spidey might have been a threat of the field of battle, but Darkseid's overwhelming strength gave him the advantage"

Wiz: "Spidey's held his own before and might have had the advantage in spider-sense, but Darkseid trumped him in every other category"

So in this hypothetical, it seems like using the logic of the people here, this fight is not listed as a curbstomp right? Because they call Spidey a threat several times so inferencing anything whatsoever isn't enough?

EDIT: To be clear, if this is what we want for a curb stomp section I will accept it, even if it really makes no sense

Edited by Happyfrybreath on Oct 2nd 2020 at 5:10:06 AM

If we have to remove most of the entries from this page that's completely fine.

That example can be listed because the curbstomp happened in the animation. We're allowing entries where a curbstomp happens in the animation or the hosts call the matchup as such in the analysis.

The main reason why were are more focused on the analysis is because Death Battle rarely has a curbstomps in their animations.

Oh

So Ganon and Genos's animations were pretty blatant stomps, can we put those in?

I wouldn't put either of them and I'm not really sure how you're seeing them as blatant stomps.

Genos VS War Machine had both fighters trading blows for most of the fight and ended with Warmachine winning but his suit significantly damaged.

Ganondorf vs. Dracula was more one-sided but still both fighters about equal until the end.

did you forget War Machine tanking 5 of Genos' most powerful attacks in a row?

The animation still had Genos do significant damage to Warmachine's suit and Warmachine not able to take him out effortlessly.

Ok you know what the real problem is?

Every single Death Battle is a curbstomp with very few exceptions, and this is causing people to flip their shite and think people are being too lenient, when at the end of the day almost every single episode is a stomp, whether it seems like it on the surface or not.

If you want to pretend there's some sort of new bar you can hold all of them to that'll make less examples exist somehow, you're going to find yourself defending utterly ridiculous matchups like several of the ones removed. I'm beyond caring, so do what you think works.

Every single battle!?

Most battles come pretty close. When in doubt, remember the MST3K Mantra.

I just find it weird people not considering Weiss versus Mitsuru a stomp when the animation shows Weiss on the defensive practically the entire time, and the one time she gets a good hit in, Mitsuru heals to full.