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Lyendith Since: Mar, 2011
#1: Sep 2nd 2018 at 5:55:42 AM

A thread to discuss what I consider to be one of the most insightful and interesting manga and anime analysts on Youtube.

His latest video is on the… peculiar martial arts series Bakidou, aka Grappler Baki, and why its insanity works for him.

I'd say that Baki's artstyle is really a bit too much to handle for me − there's only so much grotesqueness I can take −, but he almost makes me want to check out the 2018 anime…

Edited by Lyendith on Sep 2nd 2018 at 3:03:51 PM

Sigilbreaker26 Serial Procrastinator Since: Nov, 2017
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#2: Sep 2nd 2018 at 8:05:33 AM

He's absolutely solid, usually drilling deep into whatever evidence he can get and he's also willing to talk about things that aren't just anime (see his wrestling video).

The worst part about watching him is if you haven't got a lot of spare time he will sell his favourite manga and anime to you in a way that makes you immediately want to watch/read it.

"And when the last law was down and the Devil turned round on you, where would you hide, the laws all being flat?"
kyun Since: Dec, 2010
#3: Sep 2nd 2018 at 8:16:05 AM

Pretty much does perfect work. The only thing is, you can tell he's reciting something from his own script in a very theatrical way, which sounds kinda forced and cheesy. But usually it doesn't bother me.

bandersnitch Since: Aug, 2016
#4: Sep 3rd 2018 at 6:04:49 AM

He is imo one of the worst out there. His research is often faulty and poorly done and if you are actually familiar with the topics then it is to pick apart where is wrong. The sad thing is that he often just presenting opinions as facts and spreading a lot of misinformation that is believed to be actually true.

His videos on Heroes, Villains, Hx H, Bleach, the Berserk anime and about the state of Jump are the worst imo.

PippingFool Eclipse the Moon from A Floridian Prison Since: Oct, 2009 Relationship Status: I get a feeling so complicated...
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#5: Sep 3rd 2018 at 8:55:28 AM

I really like his stuff, he's just one of the chillest guys out there and considering how most of the anime youtubers are either annoyingly overperformative &/or smug in presentation or are just like, awful people, Super Eyepatch Wolf calm, go-with-the-flow voice and presentation makes him super engaging to watch.

I really like his Jojo retrospects, as well as his videos on The Fall of The Simpsons, The Fall of Bleach and Why Wrestling is Fascinating.

Edited by PippingFool on Sep 4th 2018 at 2:15:59 AM

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Sigilbreaker26 Serial Procrastinator Since: Nov, 2017
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#6: Sep 3rd 2018 at 9:14:10 AM

I forgot about the Simpson video, that's another excellent one.

"And when the last law was down and the Devil turned round on you, where would you hide, the laws all being flat?"
Demongodofchaos2 Face me now, Bitch! from Eldritch Nightmareland Since: Jul, 2010 Relationship Status: 700 wives and 300 concubines
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#7: Sep 3rd 2018 at 8:33:45 PM

I like him too.

His Baki vdieo is one I can agree with, especailly with how utterly crazy yet sincere the series is.

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Lyendith Since: Mar, 2011
#8: Sep 4th 2018 at 4:41:22 AM

[up][up][up][up] Do you have examples of wrong information in his vids? surprised Save for the first Jump video, since he acknowledged it was poorly done.

Sigilbreaker26 Serial Procrastinator Since: Nov, 2017
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#9: Sep 4th 2018 at 12:31:36 PM

Bandersnitch has complained before about his Bleach video, but about stuff that SPW literally could not have known about at the time that he made it (it's become more apparent that Kubo's illness was the main factor behind Bleach getting axed before its end, but only in the years since the video was released).

But stuff like the art getting weaker (something which happens to basically every mangaka working from SJ aside from maybe Oda, who stays consistent and Araki who improved) I think carries a lot of weight and his analysis of the long-term story problems is basically spot on.

It doesn't help that Kubo has basically changed his tune a lot on how his experiences were under SJ.

Edited by Sigilbreaker26 on Sep 4th 2018 at 7:34:48 PM

"And when the last law was down and the Devil turned round on you, where would you hide, the laws all being flat?"
bandersnitch Since: Aug, 2016
#10: Sep 4th 2018 at 1:39:33 PM

[up][up] I'm going to go through each video. Though my criticism on the Bleach video will be longer than the others, since that's the topic I'm most familiar with.

     Bleach 
- There is his accusation of Kubo having a rocky relationship with Jump and his editors. When every so far points towards them having a normal relationship. There were multiple interviews of Kubo that state the contrary. Like his interview with the mangaka of Assassination Classroom or his TBS Radio Interview. This also again ignores everything that really happened. Kubo simply got too sick. https://twitter.com/i/moments/926914353680568321 http://missstormcaller.tumblr.com/post/161160073942/jump-giga-tite-kubo-and-matsui-yABsei-interview

- Then there the accusation that his artwork became worse. I would say his artwork became much better over the years and Kubo certainly didn't become lazy. The image of Yamamoto burning with anger when he met Yhwach or when Gerard activated the Miracle for the first time and grow in size were extremely well done. One of the most praised aspects of Kubo was his art. Kubo also always had minimal background. It's called minimalism and a legit portrayal of art, since it allows to focus more on the characters. No mangaka draws backgrounds anyway. That is all done by the assistants. If Kubo wanted to have backgrounds, he would have told his assistants to do so. Not to mention that the SPW cheats quite a bit. He compares a color page with a random page fromt he manga and says then that Kubo's art got worse between 2001 and 2016. Of course a random page would look worse than a color page. Color pages always have more effort to them. That's one of the reasons why they are only made for special occasions.

- He accuses Kubo of having lost his passion or being frustrated. There is zero indication for that. It sounds more like this guy didn't enjoy the later arcs and tries to justify his lack of enjoyment that way. Like "Of course this was bad, because he lost his passion". He tries to justify it backwards from the position he already has. Again reading the two interviews I already mentioned or his interview in the 13th Blade shows that he is very much enthusiastic about Bleach. Not to mention he contradicts himself. If he never listens to editor, why would he be frustrated by them? And frankly I find it rather insulting that he accuses someone who worked so hard to the point that he got severely ill and injured his shoulder, of having lost his passion and becoming lazy.

- He accuses the characters to have become bland and unemotive. And uses Haschwalth as an example, a character who uses stoicism as a coping mechanism. Not to mention that Haschwalth showed a grand plethora of emotions during the final stages of the manga. There are plenty of expressful characters in Bleach. Just google Giselle Gewelle for example, a character introduced in the final arc.

- He accuses that Kubo only rehashes the previous arc. The final arc is hardly a rehash. Even the Fullbring arc is completely different from SS and Arrancar. And outside of Hueco Mundo and Soul Society, the arcs aren't even structured the same. And I doubt that things like the first invasion, the Zangetsu reveal or Pernida were predictable. Seeing as how most if not all theories/predictions were wrong, I would say Kubo did managed to keep things from being predictable. The characters stayed interesting throughout the entire series and developed further and further. Rukia, Orihime, Uryuu and Ichigo are hardly the same characters they were in the beginning. And I highly doubt that we had characters like Ichibee, Giselle, Askin, Pernida or Gremmy before in Bleach. All of them are very interesting characters and with a lot of depth, symbolism and nuances. The worst one could say, is that they didn't get enough screen time.

- Kubo didn't just want to draw "cool shit". As proof he cited how Kubo came up with the idea of Bleach, which wasn't case either. Kubo came up with the idea of Bleach because of how he viewed life and death. For him life and death are very important themes. There is no life without death. SEW used Zombie Powder as an example of that. But Kubo admitted in an interview he was in a dark place emotionally when he wrote it and in general was not happy with the story to the point where he couldn't even look at it. That interview also revealed that Zombie Powder was not cancelled, but rather that Kubo wanted it to end. "Burgeoning adulthood" was also never a theme of Bleach. Bleach's theme from the very beginning was how people deal with death and their fears.

- He also completely got the thing about Ichigo wrong. Ichigo is a normal guy living in the real world, who got involved with the supernatural. The world of Bleach is the real world (for the most part) and not a fictional world like in Naruto or One Piece. It makes sense for the setting that Naruto wants to become Hokage, but why would Ichigo want to become a captain or the king of Shinigami? What could he possibly achieve with these things? Each arc after the Substitute arc explores Ichigo's character and psyche and how he slowly, but surely overcomes most of his flaws, like his messiah complex, his selfishness and inability to trust others. Especially the last two arcs also deal with the source of his despair and grief and how is personality flaws cause other people pain.

     Hunterx Hunter 
- Right at the beginning he starts with calling the show a deconstruction of Shonen manga. Which is definitely not true. Hx H plays the tropes straight many times. It subverts them a few times and deconstructs the occasional trope, but so do most Shonen. He misses why NGE and Madoka are deconstructions. SEW seems to think that playing something for Horror/Drama or making it Darker and Edgier automatically implies that is a deconstructions. A deconstruction is like how a Tsundere like Asuka is not a pleasant person to deal with and how this kind of behavior actually destroys her attempts to make friends. Or how a magical girl is actually a person with a nuke, not restricted by laws and the immature mind of well a girl. He didn't even really cite any example of deconstructions in Hx H

- He states how Gon isn't anything special or doesn't have some famous ancestry. His father is Ging for crying out loud and it was clear that he had a lot of natural talent even before he started his Nen-training. Gon losing most of his fights, doesn't mean he is automatically a non-archetypical character. Chad from Bleach lost almost every fight. I'm not going to call him a great character anytime soon because of that. He explains why Gon is not your typical Shonen hero, by listing tropes of your typical Shonen hero. He isn't the only hero who was ever vulnerable or afraid or realized that brute-force alone wouldn't let him win. Those things apply to most other Shonen heroes too. Or that things don't often go his way. Naruto's quest for Sasuke was one constant failure after another for example.

- 'A story about characters, friendship and adventure, but also about loss and how harsh the world can be and how even the best of us have our breaking point' He described like at least 60% of the stories I know. Just looking at One Piece, Naruto and Bleach, this describes these shows quite well. In all three of these shows the heroes don't always do heroic things and it's not always clear for whom you should root for. The Paramount war in One Piece or Mayuri vs Pernida and Yhwach vs Ichibee in Bleach for example.

- The things he says about the villains of Hx H apply to other Shonen as well. Hx H isn't the only Shonen with villains who are actual characters with their own lives who are just obstacles to overcome. Akainu, Magellan, Buggy, Katakuri, Pein, Sasuke, Itachi, Kisame, Zabuza, Ulquiorra, Yhwach, Haschwalth, Ginjou just to name a few. Many of the antagonists in Bleach haven't met Ichigo either. The part with where he says that most vilains in other shows only talk about the progression of their plans or how they will defeat the hero the next time they met him, is just flat out wrong. On the top of my hat I can cite many example from other shows. We saw Doflamingo and the relationship with his subordinates, Aikainu confronting the Gorosei, Deidara's and Sasori's dicussion about art, the banters between Hidan and Kakuzo, Yhwach building a twisted father-son relationship with Ichigo and Haschwalth, Giselle and Bambietta's twisted love, etc.

- He talks like how the Phantom Troupe is unique because of their unique camaderine, yet almost every other Shonen has something like that. CP 9, the Charlotte siblings, the Doflamingo family, Zabuza and Haku, Itachi and Kisame, Pein and Konan, Harribel and her Fraccion, the female Sternritter or Xcution, they all are the same in that regard.

- His statement that Ramrat has more character development than the entire cast of Bleach is complete BS. Dordonni and Gremmy for example had similar character arcs for one, the realization that their power wasn't enough. Dordonni had to realize that he wasn't powerful enough to be at the top and tried everything to regain his former glory. But when that didn't work, he instead was graceful towards Ichigo who provided him the honor and opportunity to at least try to reclaim his glory and sacrificed his life to allow him escape. Gremmy during his short appearance grows from someone with zero experience, who is too arrogant to even bother moving a finger and someone who believes his power to be undefeatable, to someone who tries his best to win at all cost, who feels joy and pleasure for the first time and finally accepts defeat gracefully. And these two characters just appeared in six chapters. To claim that Ramrat has more developmentthan Shunsui. Ulquiorra, Haschwalth, Ichigo, Uryuu, Starrk, Komamura and so on is ridiclous.

- He praises Hx H for even minor villains to have some characterization, like one being an idiot. Every show does that. Every named villain in One Piece and Bleach has some quirk. To praise a minor villain for being an idiot is really setting the bar low.

- The notion that Hx H is the only Shonen without clear villains and heroes and that in other Shonen the bad guys are just and bad and exist for the good guys to punish them, is ridiculous. In One Piece the overall conflict between the world government and the pirates is rather grey, especially the Paramount war. In Bleach the Quincy were trying to make the world better by bringing back the biblical paradise and end a horribly corrupt system and based on lies, genocide and lobotomia/amputation. Even in Naruto, the villains tried to make the world better even if their plans were stupid.

- I'll stop now, before the folder gets too long. And I haven't even reached the halfway-mark yet of the video yet.

The next two will be shorter.

     Heroes 
- His relateable/powerful graph is just stupid. These two aren't exclusive. Just look at Saitama.

- He stated that all american superheroes are the same and uses a picture that includes Iron Man and Captain America, who are famous for having fought wars because of their differences.

- Saying to avoid boring heroes you should avoid the traditional idea of a hero, is also stupid. You can have interesting traditional heroes as long as they are nuanced characters or placed in setting where that type of heroism is played off perfectly. He goes on to say in this point that heroes should be given flaws, also while implying doing so would make them less virtuous. Superman has more flaws than just Kroptonite, like how he has to learn to be Clarke instead of Superman, how his messiah complex might take control of his life or how his powers make it easy for him to just play god. Even the flaw he used with Dr. Manhatten is something that plagues Superman quite often. I get the feeling that he never even touched a comic book once.

- He seems to plunge heros together with anti-heros. Anti-heroes are not just amoral heroes.

- He cites Goku as virtuous, when in truth he is an idiot willing to endanger the entire world just to have a better fight.

- He talks about nuanced believable villains that are "one bad day" away from the hero, or "made a few bad decisions". In this same video he uses The Joker and Hisoka as examples of good or interesting villains. Both villains are irredeemable monsters.

     Villains 
The video can be summoned up as: "Bad villains aren't relatable and a good villain is basically just a normal person who also happens to kill people".

Yet Joker and Hisoka were previously cited as good villains, even though neither are really relateable nor normal. It feels like he wants to say, every villain should be like Yoshigake Kira. Even though Kira isn't really normal either. He is a very weird dude. Most villains in a story are not normal. Because to be a villain it usually takes exceptional people to have the drive, tenacity and grandeur to commit their evil plans. Lex Luther, the Riddler, Griffith, Crocodile, Ulquiorra, Pain, Makishima Shougo etc. All of them are not normal people. They all have several special qualities, which is why they are beloved in the first place.

[up]

That is not the issue. SEW presented things as facts, that weren't true at all. It doesn't matter that he couldn't have known about Kubo's illness. It's about the fact that SEW claimed to have done his research about a topic and then present things that are not true. If SEW truly had done his research then he wouldn't have come to the conclusion that Kubo had a bad relationship with Jump and lost his passion, in the first place. There is nothing, no tweet, statement or interview that ever says such a thing. So this would beg the question where SEW got his wrong information from, if he did such great research. His analysis of the story and art also shows a lot of ignorance regarding the content of Bleach itself. If I had to guess, he just skimmed through the manga and was one of these people who famed themselves with reading it in half a minute.

The worst thing is though that many people, who are not that informed in the first place, will just believe him, since he has wide reach. The Gell-Mann-Amnesia-Effect is at full work here.

Kubo also never claimed to have a bad relationship with Jump. The only thing he ever claimed was that when his editor suggests to change something in his manga, Kubo instead changes it to something different, that the editor didn't expect either, in order to stay unpredictable. That doesn't indicate that his relationship with them was bad. In an interview he even stated that his relationships with all the different editors he had over the years was good.

Edited by bandersnitch on Sep 4th 2018 at 1:47:36 AM

TommyFresh Since: Aug, 2013
#11: Sep 4th 2018 at 2:01:21 PM

[up] I'm not commenting on the rest because it's been a while since I've seen some videos but I think you're simplifying the villain video quite a bit. He wasn't saying that every villain should be "normal" he's talking more about relatability and making them feel like more than just an obstacle for the hero. Basically adding elements to them that make them more than just an evil to be defeated. Most of the villains you mention have more to them than just being extreme people. Even the Joker has moments where hehe's relatable, The Killing Joke is one of his most acclaimed stories and portrays him in a more nuanced way than is usual.

Yes, Kira is weird. But SEW's point wasn't that Kira is "normal" and thus a good villain, it was that his basic drive and goal are relatable and understable which makes him compelling. I also don't think he was really saying, "This is the ONLY way to write a good villain".

Edited by TommyFresh on Sep 4th 2018 at 2:10:47 AM

Sigilbreaker26 Serial Procrastinator Since: Nov, 2017
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#12: Sep 4th 2018 at 2:04:03 PM

There's a lot of wrong or outright fallacious statements in your post, Band, but this one stuck out to me as especially ludicrious.

"He also completely got the thing about Ichigo wrong. Ichigo is a normal guy living in the real world, who got involved with the supernatural. The world of Bleach is the real world (for the most part) and not a fictional world like in Naruto or One Piece. It makes sense for the setting that Naruto wants to become Hokage, but why would Ichigo want to become a captain or the king of Shinigami? What could he possibly achieve with these things?"

He was criticising Ichigo for not having some goal to propel him forward. He didn't say that he had to want to be Shogun of the Soul Reapers or Captain of the First Squad. He was complaining that there's no reason to get invested in Ichigo's journey when all he does is beat the villain of the week (or evil faction of the month), and that when Aizen died that's why people seemed to clock out of Bleach. You're laser focusing on him pointing out Naruto wanting to be Hokage and Luffy wanting to be Pirate King when what he is saying is that "Naruto and Luffy are driven and self-motivating and Ichigo is not".

You've also complained again about him not looking at an interview published a literal year after the video was. Your standards for youtubers must be very high if you expect them to be able to time travel.

"Kubo also never claimed to have a bad relationship with Jump."

Coming from the point where if he actually did outright claim to have a bad relationship with Jump it could cause massive problems for Kubo over ownership rights for Bleach, saying things like that his definition of manga is not having to listen to what they tell him and saying that he doesn't have a special place in his heart - for a company that he had worked for for ten years - comes across like he is at best massively chafing while working for them.

"There is nothing, no tweet, statement or interview that ever says such a thing."

SPW actually provides the quotes and reasoning for all his thinking in this regard. The quotes are from an interview. (and an interview that was published before the video was made)

Edited by Sigilbreaker26 on Sep 4th 2018 at 9:33:33 AM

"And when the last law was down and the Devil turned round on you, where would you hide, the laws all being flat?"
bandersnitch Since: Aug, 2016
#13: Sep 4th 2018 at 3:22:28 PM

[up][up] I might have tried to recall the Villain video from memory, since the others took so long. My bad.

[up] My point was that SEW didn't do his research. He claimed that Kubo lost his passion and had problems with Jump. The link was there to show that this is not true. And your missing the important problem. SEW claimed something to be true, even though there was no evidence for it.

My standards are pretty low actually. I expect them not to be presenting false stuff as facts and doing proper research regarding the topics they present. SEW fails to do both imo.

That still ignores what Bleach is about. It's about Ichigo trying to become a proper protector and coming to terms with his own problems and flaws, which by the end of Aizen had obviously not been resolved. Ichigo had a big messiah complex and was incredibly selfish and obsessed with being powerful. Only thanks to the last two arcs was he able to ovecome that. With stuff like the Soul King and the stories of Ichigo's friends also not finished it was obvious that the story was far from over.

And again, Kubo had a good relationship with Jump. Otherwise you think they would have insisted on him doing at least one more story? And Kubo accepted. He is even collaborating with Jump and bringing out three data books. They even created the new (I'm) still Bleach logo. There is and was no bad blood between Jump and Kubo. Those were just baseless speculation.

And the quote SEW provided doesn't talk about any bad blood either. SEW simply interprets it in a way that confirms to his bias. I even mentioned the quote he provides in the Bleach folder.

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: Aug, 2015
The Head of the Hydra
#14: Sep 4th 2018 at 3:44:47 PM

Ya know it’s amusing how nearly all the people in this thread are praising him & ya got one lone nut* screeching “He’s shit, he’s shit, he’s shit!”

For the record I like Wolf too, he does good work. [tup]

[up] All that doesn’t change the fact that Ichigo was a completely reactionary force which doesn’t make for a good protagonist. Guy doesn’t do shit unless he’s dragged into it.

*Mod edit: This did not have to involve name-calling. Refrain from this or full posts will get thumped, regardless of other content.

Edited by nombretomado on Sep 5th 2018 at 3:07:23 AM

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
Lyendith Since: Mar, 2011
#15: Sep 4th 2018 at 4:01:06 PM

[up] Wouldn't be fun otherwise. tongue And Bandar does make some good points (though I'd have to rewatch his H×H video, I only have vague memories of it).

Regarding Ichigo though, yeah, I don't really see how the last two arcs changed him. We learned a whole bunch of stuff about his origins and such, but the character himself remained pretty boring. And the stuff about the art and drive are, well, probably subjective, but I do see where SEW is coming from. I had the same feeling myself, that near the end Kubo either no longer wanted or no longer had the strength to draw Bleach.

That's not a far-fetched assumption to make, considering the toll a weekly manga takes on its author. Kishimoto himself said that he'd never do that shit again after the end of Naruto.

Edited by Lyendith on Sep 4th 2018 at 1:05:23 PM

bandersnitch Since: Aug, 2016
#16: Sep 4th 2018 at 4:41:10 PM

[up][up] I don't think being reactionary is a bad or good thing. And it makes sense with Ichigo. Dude wants to live a normal life.

[up] But he presents these assumptions like researched facts. Kubo himself actually doesn't like his art-style before Volume 21. In my opinion his art got only better.

The Fullbring arc and Ichigo having to deal with the loss of his powers allowed him to overcome two of his major flaws: his selfishness and messiah complex . If it had ended with Aizen's defeat then Ichigo's character development would only have been halfway done.

Tskishima's mind games thoroughly deconstructed Ichigo's belief, that only he can protect everyone. Ichigo's friends (well mostly Uryuu) did actually a really good job with protecting Karakura town, but Ichigo was unhappy, because even though he realized that, deep down, he couldn't rest unless he himself could make sure that everyone was protected. Thanks to the stuff that happened, he realized that he can trust his friends. Because in the end, he was helpless on his own and it was only through the bonds he made with Rukia and the others that he was able to stand up and be strong.

Before that Ichigo was selfish. He didn't talk with his friends about it, didn't consider how his escapades with Xcution affected his friends and family. Not just because of Tsukishima, but also because they were worried about him and that he would just disappear in the middle of the night for an uncertain amount of time. And this was seen even during the Hueco Mundo saga. Grimmjow pointed that out big time, that even though Orihime was saved, Ichigo still wanted to fight, because deep down he enjoyed it. His Hollow is the embodiment of that selfish desire to protect. It got to the point where Ichigo screamed at Orihime when she wanted to help and protect him from Ulquiorra. He told to her face that she should stay out of his fight. Compare that to how he treated her in their fight against Yhwach.

Overcoming these character flaws allowed him, together with the revelation regarding the death of his mother to overcome his fear of death, or rather his fear of others dying because he was unable to protect them. This plagued him since the very beginning of the series and if it weren't for all the character development, Ichigo might not have accepted his fears. And instead of rejecting Yhwach's perfect world without death and fearr, he might have actually accepted it.

The one thing that wasn't resolved was Ichigo's tendency to never ask questions. That one might be a victim of the rushed ending. Considering what the Shinigami had planned with him and did to Yhwach, Ichigo might have reconsidered these tendencies.

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: Aug, 2015
The Head of the Hydra
#17: Sep 4th 2018 at 4:43:38 PM

I’m gonna be honest here, I don’t read walls of text.

It write off people who do so because I will not read that much shit & you can’t trust people who don’t know how to summarize.

And it’s not good for a fucking story. I don’t give a rats ass how much it make sense sense for Ichigo. It made for an uninteresting & boring lead who was constantly Out of Focus for most of his own manga.

Edited by slimcoder on Sep 4th 2018 at 4:48:05 AM

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
Lyendith Since: Mar, 2011
#18: Sep 4th 2018 at 4:49:53 PM

[up][up] I can agree about the Fullbringer arc − a very underrated arc, though it was kinda ruined by the Shinigami returning at the end − but in the final arc Ichigo had way too little focus for these changes to be important or even noticeable.

UltraWanker Since: Apr, 2016
#19: Sep 4th 2018 at 4:57:05 PM

[up][up]Wouldn't recommend implying that you skipped someone's argument when replying to them. I mean, one could also write off those that say "too long mate." Just gonna assume you ran out of valid things to say and that's your way of winning it. tongue

Edited by UltraWanker on Sep 4th 2018 at 12:10:05 PM

Sigilbreaker26 Serial Procrastinator Since: Nov, 2017
Serial Procrastinator
#20: Sep 5th 2018 at 2:54:33 AM

Ichigo's character doesn't develop. How can it when there was barely any character to begin with?

What's funny is that I don't agree with SPW on Bleach entirely either - because he basically goes "it got worse" when my position is "it was always shit". Even in the Soul Society arc, supposedly Bleach's peak and something SPW hypes the fuck out of, the only interesting stuff is the political shenanigans going on with the Captains; Ichigo's party is almost always the least interesting part until Uryu fights Mayuri and there's some actual personal stakes there. And even the political shenanigans and the excellent Aizen reveal are undercut by Aizen's stupidly OP power that basically begs the question of why he would bother to go through all of this.

(and if we're supposed to believe Aizen's ridiculous "I planned basically the entire manga up to this point so Ichigo would be powerful enough to force me into my ultimate form" claim then you could argue it explains that - at the cost of making basically everything that happened up to that point worthless).

There's also one of my absolute favourite examples of Bleach's terrible, terrible writing in the Soul Society arc. Renji and Byakuya (one a lieutenant, the other a captain) come down from on high like Nappa and Vegeta to take Rukia back and punish her for defying Soul Society law. Renji handily overpowers Uryu, the most powerful rival to Ichigo at that point (and really, the only member of his personal entourage that will ever really matter in combat). Ichigo then fights Renji, who tells Ichigo he doesn't even know the basics of using his sword and who transforms his own weapon and thrashes Ichigo. This is good so far; if Byakuya's second in command is this powerful (and we're already hyped up for a rematch with him so Ichigo can take him down) then how powerful must Byakuya be?

Oh wait, no, Ichigo's getting up. Look, he's beating the guy when Ichigo doesn't even know the basics of using his sword. Then Byakuya has to step in - and since Ichigo has to survive - fails to kill him. So hype has now been absolutely killed for Renji, since Ichigo has beaten him, and utterly deflated for Byakuya, since he looks incompetent when he can't even kill a downed Ichigo.

But to compound this mistake, then the author tries to make Renji, who up to this point had absolutely zero evidence of any redeeming factors, a sympathetic main POV character out of the main cast. Okay, that just requires ignoring everything we've seen him do and say so far, but fine, he hadn't been around for long anyway. And then he tries to set him up for a rematch with Ichigo - an Ichigo who has been training massively, by the way. This is utterly laughable, and then some BS about how Leuitenants and Captains have to seal their spirit energy while in the real world (shouldn't they just not use their releases then?). This rematch has absolutely zero hype, because we have to be told that Renji was secretly five times as strong all this time when we have seen Ichigo kick his ass and Ichigo's trained a ton since then.

I could go on further about how shit a lot of the supposedly good parts of Bleach are, but I think I've made my point. SPW isn't harsh on Bleach, he's unbelievably generous.

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kyun Since: Dec, 2010
#21: Sep 5th 2018 at 7:34:02 AM

My bad. I was under the impression this was the SEW thread, not the Bleach thread.

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#22: Sep 5th 2018 at 10:48:29 AM

It's on topic because the discussion is about one of his videos, which is about Bleach.

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#23: Sep 5th 2018 at 11:02:44 AM

I have never seen or read Baki.

For those who have, how is it?

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Beatman1 Since: Feb, 2014 Relationship Status: Gone fishin'
#24: Sep 5th 2018 at 11:10:31 AM

[up]Crazy. Fun though if you like martial arts, not so much if you can’t deal with the more insane feats of strength. Also the main villain (if you really view him as one, it’s complicated) is a God-Mode Sue, but that’s actually the point.

Edited by Beatman1 on Sep 5th 2018 at 2:10:20 PM

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#25: Sep 5th 2018 at 12:33:25 PM

[up][up] Like Super Eyepatch Wolf said, One of the main interactions Baki and his OP god mode sue dad have is literally Baki making the shittiest cup of coffee possible.

Hell, the first true threat to Baki himself in the first arc is against a fighter who can literally cut the cords on your neck tendons with his bare fingers. He's one of the weakest martial artists in the story, and Baki, in the flash back arc from when he was in Middle School, jumped himself off of a mountain to get the hormones that activate from a Near death experience going as one of the first forms of training he gets in order to fight his dad, and he even fights Japanese bigfoot and survives.

Later on, he fights a dude that can literally kill you by palming oxygen into your youngs to the point of causing you to pass out, the literal ebodiment of strenght in the form of Biscuit Oliva who's punches are so powerful that he can cause power outages accross the whole planet with just a single shcokwave from his punch, a 66 million year old cavemen who casually beat up T-rexes and Sauropod dinosaurs, and in the current Baki Dou, is fighting the cloned reincarnation of Miyamoto Musashi, who is the only character in the manga so far to actually inflict real wounds on Yujiro Hanma, the strongest creature on earth who surpassed his own dad, wh, in world war 2, single handedly defeated an entire battalion of US navy soldiers by literally using them as nunchucks.

Yeah, its batshit crazy, and its wonderful for it, yet it still feels earnest and full of love for martial arts underneath it all.

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