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Forenperser Foreign Troper from Germany Since: Mar, 2012
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#1: May 16th 2018 at 12:22:10 PM

Yeah....so DC is now developing a new Live Action series centered around ALFRED of all people.

https://www.dccomics.com/blog/2018/05/15/breaking-news-alfred-takes-the-stage-in-new-epix-series-pennyworth

What is is with DC and their prequel series?

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#2: May 16th 2018 at 1:30:46 PM

I don’t even have to make fun of this. This series existing is actually what kicks off the plot of the TT Go movie. I’m not kidding either, the plot of the main trailer has Robin see an Alfred movie and decides he needs one.

We are at peak absurdity. I suppose Amethyst or the Warlord or the Blackhawks don’t work, but Alfred?

edited 16th May '18 1:31:19 PM by Beatman1

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#3: May 16th 2018 at 1:40:09 PM

It is a confusing decision. Well, we already have Jim Gordon getting his own show, and Superman's grandparents too. Hope is good at least.

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#4: May 16th 2018 at 1:48:56 PM

I wonder what lengths it will go to to avoid mentioning Batman.

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#5: May 16th 2018 at 2:03:53 PM

I'd tell them to stop screwing around and just make an actual Batman show (and a Superman one, and maybe a Wonder Woman one, even with Hyppolita leading it), but I doubt they'd listen.

edited 16th May '18 2:04:18 PM by Blueace

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ArthurEld Since: May, 2014
#6: May 16th 2018 at 5:54:07 PM

Well, a story centering around Alfred's younger days really shouldn't mention Batman at all.

I see no reason why a show like this wouldn't work-Alfred is implied to basically be a latter-day David Stirling, and if you add in a few DC universe mentions, it would certainly be interesting.

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#7: May 16th 2018 at 6:02:25 PM

"Did you hear about that mysterious meteor shower in Kansas? It was really super, man." tongue

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Xopher001 Since: Jul, 2012
#8: May 17th 2018 at 4:02:16 AM

I think this is an awesome idea, since Alfred is an awesome butler/Batdad

Soble Since: Dec, 2013
#9: May 17th 2018 at 6:13:06 AM

new Live Action series centered around ALFRED of all people.

It seems like they could have told his story in Gotham rather than making an entire show about him. I doubt this man lived such an interesting life you could get 3-4 seasons out of it.

My guess is this is going be DC's version of Agent Carter minus the "Alfred contributes to the creation of an awesome spy organization." And I didn't particularly care for that show either.

I don't always mind prequel shows, heck, I think it can be a brilliant way to infiltrate a comic book universe without throwing millions of dollars into special effects to bring Krypton or Asgard to life. Shows like Agents of Shield and Gotham feel connected enough that they're not completely irrelevant. Shows like Powerless, Krypton, Agent Carter, and now Pennyworth though...

...I mean, what's next, Thomas Wayne? Maybe Jor-El? Hippolyta? Ferris Aircrafts or maybe Quinzel?

edited 17th May '18 6:35:34 AM by Soble

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alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#10: Oct 19th 2018 at 1:03:43 PM

Paloma Faith has been cast as the villain of the first season.

Now I have to watch this. Not because of Alfred, but because of freakin' Paloma Faith. I need to see if she's a good actress (I love her music) and how batshit crazy she can be as the villain. Especially since she's such a weirdo in her appearances on Nevermind the Buzzcocks.

Edited by alliterator on Oct 19th 2018 at 1:03:51 AM

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#11: Oct 19th 2018 at 1:11:44 PM

[up][up] Hey, Amazons are vicious. Hippolyta's got the unenviable job of corralling an entire island full of the world's greatest warriors. You have to imagine keeping them in line is plenty of fodder for good drama. tongue

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Soble Since: Dec, 2013
#12: Oct 24th 2018 at 7:02:29 AM

I suppose. Themyscira is one of the few television shows I could see happening since Greek/Roman myth is so expansive, and you could have the Amazons getting wrapped up in a lot of world-ending, mythological plots and dramas, sure.

The problems I see though:

  • There's not much a DC version of Greek/Roman myth can do that Xena, Heracles the Legendary Journeys, or the litany of Greek myth films and games in the past 10 years haven't already done better - besides DC's Hercules being a total ass I suppose.
  • The show's cast would be exclusively female due to the setting - I don't just mean female-led or mostly female, and not men being in lesser roles while women are the protagonists. I mean there will be absolutely no men whatsoever because the setting demands it. note  The only way to avoid that would be to introduce men to Themyscira, which shouldn't be happening because far as I know, Steve was the first/only man to land on Themyscira, unless the show goes the "Sarah Connor Chronicles route" and declares that "Steve was the first/one of many." Or if the show were about some of the Amazons leaving the island and exploring the world, but then it'd be Amazons and not Themyscira.
  • DC doesn't like opening the sandbox to other parties and Legends Of Tomorrow already shoved Helen of Troy onto Themyscira, implying a connection to the Amazons. And DC executives seem to believe that if a location or character appears on one show then the audience will be confused if that same location or character appears on a different show.
  • I don't really know if I'd care about following the political drama of Themyscira. I don't really care about Krypton and the political drama there. I'm biased against political/tribal dramas to in general.

Anyway, I could at least understand Themyscira as a concept:

  • Convention-defying drama with a potentially all-female cast
  • A setting based in Greek myth which would probably demand a serious budget and special effects
  • Focused on the tribes of Amazons and the drama therein
  • Borrows from the untapped wealth of the Wonder Woman mythos

Pennyworth? Again:

  • Ah, so the whole show explains why he became the Wayne's butler
  • British dude turns out to be a top secret agent, who knew
  • Probably helped save the world a few times
  • Yet the show inevitably ends with him settling down to become a butler - cuz

Maybe I just have to accept that we're in a "Sidekick Renaissance" and that networks know these shows are cheaper to make than Daredevil or Infinity War.

Edited by Soble on Oct 24th 2018 at 7:10:10 AM

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alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#13: Oct 24th 2018 at 8:35:20 AM

And DC executives seem to believe that if a location or character appears on one show then the audience will be confused if that same location or character appears on a different show.
I don't know, we saw Krypton in the beginning of Supergirl (even if it was being destroyed) and they still made a Krypton show. Also, we're going to see Gotham City during the "Elseworlds" crossover and we've already got Gotham.

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#14: Oct 24th 2018 at 9:44:58 AM

Gotham is in its final season, though, right?

Soble Since: Dec, 2013
#15: Nov 16th 2018 at 7:23:13 PM

Krypton might be an exception, but I think we have more than enough examples of concepts and characters being dropped rather than existing at the same time when it comes to DC TV.

Gotham is ending. Conveniently around the same time that a Batwoman TV show has been announced.

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#17: Mar 30th 2019 at 6:36:13 AM

Well despite my razor-whip criticism I guess this is happening.

We are now due for a television show about a superhero's butler. Nothing to do now but accept the hijinks.

Edited by Soble on Mar 30th 2019 at 6:37:58 AM

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alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#18: Mar 30th 2019 at 6:46:52 AM

If this is a prequel to Gotham, that would make it a prequel to a prequel. Eventually, we'll get a series out of one of Alfred's ancestors and than we'll have a prequel of a prequel of a prequel.

Still, I can't wait to see Paloma Faith hamming it up as a villain.

Soble Since: Dec, 2013
#19: Mar 31st 2019 at 5:14:08 AM

I'm hoping for a show about the origin of the chemicals that made the Joker.

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Forenperser Foreign Troper from Germany Since: Mar, 2012
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#20: Jun 14th 2019 at 9:30:59 AM

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#21: Jun 14th 2019 at 9:32:39 AM

The Waynes make appearance.

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#22: Jul 21st 2019 at 2:12:15 PM

Lots of good reviews of the pilot (it premiered at Comic con).

DC seems to have a talent for taking ridiculous sounding prequel concepts and actually making them awesome (Gotham, Krypton and now Pennyworth).

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#23: Jul 21st 2019 at 3:40:20 PM

Gotham was a disaster. Krypton seems good and Pennyworth might be though.

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#24: Jul 21st 2019 at 11:06:17 PM

[up]What? How many seasons did you watch? It got better with each season.

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#25: Jul 22nd 2019 at 9:33:56 AM

I'm...confused as to why this was the direction they went in. But Alfred is something of a Memetic Badass among some fans, so I can sort of get the sentiment behind giving him a starring role. I just don't get why he's the star, if that makes sense. Ah well, could be fun.


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