The Namesake vs Title Drop

FRizer Since: Sep, 2017

#1: Dec 25th 2017 at 9:36:29 AM

Kinda having a problem with The Namesake:

I don't really see the difference of it with Title Drop, in basic concepts.
If that page really wants the examples to be in the form of "the namesake comes out late", can't Title Drop go like that too? Or maybe why's the title kinda lacking?

Incidentally, I also found this

AnotherDuck No, the other one. from Stockholm Since: Jul, 2012 Relationship Status: Mu

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#2: Dec 25th 2017 at 11:55:48 PM

I'm not seeing the confusion.

Title Drop is a dialogue trope where the title is mentioned in the story.
The Namesake is a title trope that's about the reason for naming a story.

Sure, they can overlap, but they can easily exist without each other. A Title Drop doesn't have to refer to anything in the story other than being part of a line someone says. The Namesake doesn't have to be spelled out in any way.

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FRizer Since: Sep, 2017

#3: Dec 26th 2017 at 8:11:13 AM

Then does Title Drop have to be a line? Can't it be an object or something?

Would that make Character Title a subtrope of Title Drop too? (Or subtrope of The Namesake instead?)

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#4: Dec 26th 2017 at 9:49:18 AM

If a series is named after a central character, setting, group, etc., it does not count as a Title Drop, unless they are usually called by another name.

If this explanation comes by showing instead of by telling (i.e. it is not actually spoken aloud by any of the characters), then it's The Namesake.

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FRizer Since: Sep, 2017

#5: Dec 26th 2017 at 4:31:46 PM

Perhaps that's why I'm bothered - they sound too arbitrary.

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#6: Dec 26th 2017 at 9:36:40 PM

Perhaps this will help distinguish: