#2: Sep 9th 2017 at 3:34:19 AM
Sorry, but we need a much better case for a rename - with evidence of an issue to fix, in particular - than this.
"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
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I would like to nominate that we rename this trope. Two suggestions for that. Firstly: no Zoidberg.
https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/discussion.php?id=ksm5a0dl0g8ozvaxabzrc1pk
when this was proposed in 2009 as Even X Especially X this was proposed based on And Zoidberg but it is a bad choice because that is not an actual quote. It would be better to use an actual quote.
Secondly, we need more than an Especially X format to the name. People are not reading the description and adding any use they can find of someone using the word especially. We need the first Even X part to cut down on that.
Ideally X is just one word and a short word if we have to type it twice.
For that reason I woule propose using Even Ross Especially Ross from Series/Friends as it is both well known and even briefer than using Zoidberg.
Even Lisa Especially Lisa could also work. Especially Bart would be a different trope since nobody asked "even Bart?" this was Sideshow Bob playing with an existing trope.
There are earlier examples than Friends/Simpsons but I didn't notice any which had a single-short-word aesthetic. Nobody wants to type out Even The Church Especially The Church even if Eastwood predates everything else.
Correct me if I missed something better.
We shouldnalso note that phrasing does not have to be Even Especially that is just the most common. It could work other ways too. Just making this up:
What the trope is, is one party makes a generalizing statement, another party inquires about a possible exception, then original party declares that not only is it not an exception, but that it holds unique significance to observe that instance in the original statement.
edited 2nd Sep '17 8:53:42 PM by Axelmania