Re:Creators

Like some people say, sometimes the difference between an amateur and a professional is that the professional gets paid for his work.

So, episode 22 was just denouement. Nothing particularly attention-grabbing. I did find it amusing they made Meteora stick around. Speaking of which, when are we getting the Meteora-written Re: Creators?

Overall, a pretty fun show, and pretty much what I expected it to be. I guess the biggest issue is that the entire "fictional characters get transported to reality" thing didn't get as much focus as it probably should have, especially in the second half of the story.

edited 18th Sep '17 10:10:16 AM by fillerdude

Wish I picked this up from the beginning so I could have fun discussing with you all.

Now that it's over, I feel conflicted. I get all the complaints, the premise was ripe with potential and possibilities. Yet, there is such sincerity that shines that it hurts to see.

If the current series was a shoutout to Last Action Hero, the prequel would be akin to The Leagueof Extraordinary Gentlemen.

The prequel would take place in the late 1800s where its nearly about to enter the next Century. However, all over the globe there is a secret war going on and its related to individuals with incredible powers. The Characters would be:

1. A small boy who was left in the orphanage by her mother and wrote a story about a fictional version of her where she and him lived in a large castle and she was a warrior who protected him from dangers.

2. A philosopher in training dream of one day building a mechanical steampunk golem.

3. A Chinese Girl who was sold into slavery summoned a demonic force that tore her slavers to pieces.

4. A young man desired to become a hero created a drawing what he would like as a cunning but brave masked hero.

5. A princess who desired to see what the outside world was like created an imaginary friend who would take her to place she couldn't imagine.

6. A man who desired to make a game that could revolutionized the world and the main character he created was a wizard named the Game Master.

So I'm up to ep 19.

I couldn't help but binge it.

This is a troper's show.

This is an instant classic.

This is glorious.

Meh.

I felt it tries too hard, IMO.

Same problems that Last Action Hero had, too.

HERESY! THERE'S NO SUCH THING! NOT IN ANIME!

Honestly, I'd rather that than the laziness of, say, SAO.

I wonder if it says something that all the Creations who died were the main characters in their own stories. And with the exception of Rui and Yuuya's rival, the ones who lived were the supporting cast of their stories.

I think if you hate Altair, you’re gonna have a bad time with how the story ends

Wanted to chime in at first I was interested in this anime but after hearing that the 2 extremely vile villains get away scott free in the end while everyone else gets some measure of screwed over I got soured on watching it.

No matter how pretty a show it is I don't think I can stomach such an ending, I have a natural hatred of Karma Houdini's.

From what I understand, Altair isn't even vile, she clearly has reasons for doing what she does. Can't say the same for Mangane.

Mangane is basically The Joker, with a bit more restraint. Pity that we never got to know her Author.

I wonder why nobody tried the Evil Vs Anihilation argument with her: "You love screwing with people, and being alive. If the world ends, you won't be able to do that anymore. Also, you'll be dead."

Altair... well, if she had died, that would have been sort of playing unto her hands. I prefer the ending she got because, in a way, it's a much more thorough defeat, spiritually.

I am fine with how they ended the conflict because it was the best way to resolve the initial problem and give closure to the main three, though it was honestly the only way after Altair had been given all the powers ever.

What may keep it unsatisfying is that Altair was unrepentantly smug throughout the entire show and that would lead people to wish for her defeat in the most humiliating way possible ala Gilgamesh.

It felt like a facade to me. Her smugness was skin-deep. Mostly I heard despair.

I think she lacks the vanity and self-worship that characterize Gil. Her contempt is borne of suffering, not of boundless egotism. Gil's pride is his Tragic Flaw, and the source of his most hateful traits. Therefore, the most fitting end for him is to be thoroughly humiliated.

Altair's Tragic Flaw is that she thinks her pain invalidates everyone else's. Therefore her defeat must come through the invalidation of her pain.

By the end, I saw Altair as an abomination of nature, and just making her go away was a victory for the heroes.

That said victory was both clever, compassionate, yet, in a certain way, crushingly cruel, is a bonus. Like a good episode of Designated Survivor.

The ending felt anti climatic and made everything else pointless in a way, plus sad back story or not she did try to destroy the planet and had many smug unlikable moments. The cast could barely amuse her at best and even having a reason for her being so OP doesn't help for some like me after all not everyone can find it fun to watch a villain that can counter everything they can throw at them often with a random power from nowhere. The in show audience itself made no sense at times.

Basically even with her sad story she can be obnoxious and unlikable to some and the ending where she and Magane get happy endings and get off with everything they did can sour the finale.

To be Altair IRL writers could simply made acceptance played a role in her defeat.

edited 6th Mar '18 6:37:46 AM by QuaintGoldfinch

Yes. This character is Hax and a Shallow Broken Sue should have been a common response to her.

But... I bought it.

She is a villain sue and she is my or one of my biggest complaint of the series, characters who were pretty broken all got complaints thrown at them and somehow seems Altir mainly flies under that radar.

I see her as an intentional example of why sues in general make bad writing. IMHO, she is justified.

WOG said they made her so strong to show working hard doesn't mean you'll win but not sure if this is true and if what you said is true than wouldn't it show better when the audience(in show) gets sick of her winning?

Altair was always meant to ignore the rules other Creations go by on account of being a hodgepodge OC abomination powered by the entire Internet, it seems.

However, that still makes the finale very unsatisfying in how nobody's efforts but Sota's - who were explicitly half-baked and only got past because Magane was feeling like it - matter. The concept of acceptance is just unutilized after being discussed for the entire second half of the show.

edited 7th Mar '18 5:28:09 AM by FergardStratoavis

Yeah, the resolution was very unsatisfying because of that. I have no problem with Altair being appeased instead of defeated, but the way they arrive at that point is kinda stupid and render most of what happened before pointless.

But probably my biggest problem with the series is that after the first few episodes, it becomes kinda directionless for the whole middle part, seemingly more interested self-congratulatory musings about how awesome writers are than telling a story.

I felt like it could have been a good exploration of the writing process AND have a good story on top of it.

I maintain that the best way to solve the conflict would be to nope Altair out of existence via negative reaction from the public, presumably with a moral that we can't always get what we want and that negative emotions cloud the better judgment (Exhibit A: Alicetaria, whom Altair happened to kill so nonchalantly).

We've seen the power of the public before when Selesia got her second wind from a simple tweet of her new art. We've seen Altair almost nope herself out of existence on account of not having enough acceptance in that same episode. I don't understand why none of this ended up mattering.

I hated this series for multiple reasons, and one of them is how mean-spirited and borderline nihilistic it is in some regards.

Good guys like Mamika and Aliceteria are presented as gullible morons and die horrible deaths. Morally grey/neutral Blitz does fucking nothing for the whole show, and he's the only one Creation to survive completely untouched up to the ending (yes, there's the whole daughter thing, but, as his Creator would say, she's just a plot device). Magane couldn't be more obviously evil, and yet nobody seems to register her as a real menace, and she basically swindles everyone including the in-story audience and goes away to do whatever she wants. And then there's Altair and the fact that, to beat her, they basically condemned innocent Setsuna to A Fate Worse Than Death.

I'm not against dark stories on principle, but I was angry because they had an awesome premise and lots of talent behind this project, and yet they squandered everything on this edgy bullshit.