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TheAirman Brightness from The vicinity of an area adjacent to a location Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Historians will say we were good friends.
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#401: Jun 12th 2017 at 12:09:02 PM

@danime91: The "purists" also forget that hierarchy == power. Ring aside, don't forget that Gandalf, Radagast, Saruman, and those blue dudes are also the same hierarchy as Sauron and the Balrogs. Same deal with the Valar - if hierarchy & power were 1:1, Melkor would've had vastly less influence in the Great Music and basically wouldn't have been able to do shit once he entered Eä.

I can sympathize with Christopher Tolkien take issue with stuff directly to do with The Hobbit, since it was literally his bedtime story, but as far as being so controlling over the rest of the universe? Yeah that's just sad.

Also, IIRC, Tolkien did write somewhere that Mordor actually does have a lot of fertile land.

edited 12th Jun '17 12:10:16 PM by TheAirman

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DrunkenNordmann from Exile Since: May, 2015
#402: Jun 12th 2017 at 12:11:03 PM

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Also, IIRC, Tolkien did write somewhere that Mordor actually does have a lot of fertile land.
Nurn. You actually visit the area in Shadow of Mordor.

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AnotherGuy Since: Aug, 2013 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
ABNDT Since: Mar, 2011
#404: Jun 12th 2017 at 5:28:47 PM

A bit more footage. Highlights include "Enraged by Everything" and one of Talion's guys pulling a Big Damn Heroes.

pblades Since: Oct, 2009
#405: Jun 12th 2017 at 10:58:32 PM

[up][up] It'd be totally sweet to assassinate Talion as Blade of Galadriel, or vice versa. Boss battle against a stealth, yes please!

AnotherGuy Since: Aug, 2013 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
#406: Jun 12th 2017 at 11:47:54 PM

She did kill him. However...

JerekLaz Since: Jun, 2014
#407: Jun 13th 2017 at 3:06:00 AM

[up] That point where she sees Celebrimbor. Brilliant.

Also, yeah, fantasy purists seem to assume that warfare is just lining up armies and charging at each other, with GLORIOUS COMBAT. LOTR (the book) mentions spies and traitors. So I don't know why the whole complexity element is frowned upon - hell, half of Gondor was politicians and people unwilling to fight half the time.

kaalban Schrodinger's Human from everywhere and nowhere Since: Aug, 2015 Relationship Status: YOU'RE TEARING ME APART LISA
Schrodinger's Human
#408: Jun 13th 2017 at 3:08:45 AM

[up] The big reason why I liked Shadow of Mordor was precisely because of complexity.

And saying: "Assuming Direct Control" at these orcs.

Everything that lives is designed to end.
JerekLaz Since: Jun, 2014
#409: Jun 13th 2017 at 4:31:46 AM

[up]Indeed! I quite liked how they fleshed out Uruk society a bit, gave the mooks a day in the limelight, plus showed how Sauron was building a whole new world, not just a mindless army.

Yeah they were cruel and awful but I liked the alternative take. This looks like it's really building on that.

danime91 Since: Jan, 2012 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
#410: Jun 13th 2017 at 7:29:59 AM

Enraged by Everything? Dear Bright Lord, that's gonna be more of a pain than Hate of Pain.

DrunkenNordmann from Exile Since: May, 2015
#411: Jun 13th 2017 at 11:43:36 AM

[up] To be fair, the guy who had this trait was on YOUR side in the trailer.tongue

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Adannor Since: May, 2010
#412: Jun 13th 2017 at 12:06:53 PM

Sure, he was a great catch to brand. But he's still a pain to fight.

edited 13th Jun '17 12:14:46 PM by Adannor

Adannor Since: May, 2010
#413: Jun 13th 2017 at 12:21:23 PM

Oooh, a good half-hour of siege gameplay.

edited 13th Jun '17 12:21:39 PM by Adannor

AnotherGuy Since: Aug, 2013 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
#414: Jun 13th 2017 at 7:01:31 PM

I misspelled her name: Altariel.

Adannor Since: May, 2010
#415: Jun 14th 2017 at 9:09:35 AM

A couple vids up on the official channel. Goood stuff.

Highlight so far is that Celebrimbor's hammer can be used in the ranged weapon slot instead of the bow.

edited 14th Jun '17 10:12:30 AM by Adannor

AnotherGuy Since: Aug, 2013 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
#416: Jun 14th 2017 at 10:45:21 AM

So, at me E3 presentation, and Olog-hai killed Talion and went on and on about Talion in flowery, eloquent language.

His title?

" The Bore" waii

theLibrarian Since: Jul, 2009
#417: Jun 14th 2017 at 11:20:24 AM

I wonder if there's a way to jump off of a Siege Beast and not destroy the catapult in the process.

Adannor Since: May, 2010
#418: Jun 14th 2017 at 11:37:16 AM

They always say they destroy the catapult on purpose so I presume yes but then enemy orcs can return to it and continue dumping on your goons.

theLibrarian Since: Jul, 2009
#419: Jun 14th 2017 at 11:38:37 AM

Okay then. I meant on your own Siege Beasts, though.

Adannor Since: May, 2010
#420: Jun 14th 2017 at 11:41:04 AM

Uh I haven't seen those in use as far as I got through the footage bits.

Not having an option would be kinda dumb though so I still expect it to be present.

theLibrarian Since: Jul, 2009
#421: Jun 14th 2017 at 12:00:08 PM

Yeah, they've been used in a number of other gameplay previews that show off sieges. You can choose to have them in your army when you assault the fortresses.

Adannor Since: May, 2010
#422: Jun 14th 2017 at 12:24:54 PM

Yes, I got that. What I mean is that I haven't viewed any piece in which Talion personally climbs onto one of the catapults he brought with him - only hijacking the ones belonging to the forts.

TuefelHundenIV Night Clerk of the Apacalypse. from Doomsday Facility Corner Store. Since: Aug, 2009 Relationship Status: I'd need a PowerPoint presentation
Night Clerk of the Apacalypse.
#423: Jun 14th 2017 at 12:26:38 PM

One of the earlier posted game play vids shows him doing just that. Though I recall it got taken out by the enemy. I am pretty sure it was the one that first showed off the forces and preparation screen the one with the spiders.

Found it.

See this post In the vid at 24:27.

edited 14th Jun '17 12:30:53 PM by TuefelHundenIV

Who watches the watchmen?
Adannor Since: May, 2010
#424: Jun 14th 2017 at 12:36:09 PM

Haven't watched that one. Lessee...

Well they clearly blew off the catapult in order to convert the graug to mobile mode.

TuefelHundenIV Night Clerk of the Apacalypse. from Doomsday Facility Corner Store. Since: Aug, 2009 Relationship Status: I'd need a PowerPoint presentation
Night Clerk of the Apacalypse.
#425: Jun 14th 2017 at 12:43:28 PM

They actually mention the artillery having been blasted off though. Of course that doesn't stop them from still capitalizing on it.

Who watches the watchmen?

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