Marvel's Inhumans series

I think that ambush was only for Triton, the girl was probably collateral damage. Which doesn't make it right, but I don't see any basis for the assumption that Maximus kills innocent Inhumans for shits and giggles.

Nobody is trying to say that he is innocent, but what we are saying is that his overall goal is far more sympathetic than that of his entitled, elitist family.

No, they were definitely after her. Triton stepped in.

Yeah, but as I understood that was to draw him out.

He has plenty of reason to want to kill them, he believes they that they must attack humanity first because humans will inevitability attack them so why not provide some justification with a pile of dead bodies?

...do the people who killed Triton ever even come back?

I'm pretty sure they were the first people who went after Gorgon before he fought Auran but I haven't been able to find a clip of it and I deleted the episode from my DVR already. The Wikipedia page for the series on the episode list claims they were however and that Maximus gave them the order to do it.

edited 28th Oct '17 1:02:44 PM by doineedaname

They just kinda dropped off after that.

I mean I dunno if it's just lazy writing or what but I know Buck likes to just randomly drop plotlines like in Iron Fist. Regardless, I'd chalk some of this to just outright bad writing. Maximus is written inconsistently to make him seem more evil when, again, his entire cause is to end slavery and a caste system. It's just like him trying to hit on Medusa, it adds nothing to his character, isn't brought up again, has little relevance and added nothing to the plot.

Hell, most of the subplots amount to nothing. Big Hawaiian dude who befriends Black Bolt? He's just kinda there really. Science lady? More boring than Jane Foster. Pot dudes with Karnak? Well Karnak is still a manipulative piece of shit. Farmer dude? Nah, Crystal is still a piece of shit. Surfer militia dudes? No point to 'em, Gorgon is dead now. This show is built on pointlessness.

Exactly. 6 episodes have passed and literally NOTHING has happened. The situation is entirely the same as after the Pilot. Maximus is King and the Royal Family is on Earth.

Well, except for Gorgon now being dead, BOOHOOHOO!

edited 28th Oct '17 1:45:10 PM by Forenperser

Honestly I don't think I've ever seen a series where the protagonists are just this outright disgusting. It'd be comical if it weren't so frustrating to watch.

Yeah I’ve been hoping that the Royal Family will finally get some true perspective and realise that they deserved this, that their imprisonment of Mortis (who by far has been my favourite character), their support of slavery, their belief in genetic superiority, that’s what bought this about.

But they just ditched the humans and they seemed like to best chance for the Royals to realise that slavery (especially slavery based on genetics) is wrong and that they’re terrible people.

Mortis chose to die free rather than be subject to their rule, in another story he’d be a hero for bravely giving his life to take down the brutal enforcer of Royal racial superiority.

Oh and well done show, you just have your main black character die fighting to preserve a system of race based slavery, well fucking done.

Maximus is clearly a bad person doing this for selfish reason, but in the end Maximus being a power mad, creep doesn’t somehow make the Royals support of slavery okay.

Edit: oh and talking about missed good ideas, if they wanted Medusa to show a good side how about before getting Louise to cover for them (which was not needed, just teleport away and leave an empty barn) she offers to take Louise’s dad’s ashes to the moon with them, so that he can finally make it their like she said he always wanted.

edited 29th Oct '17 4:17:45 AM by Silasw

Just out of curiosity, since I fully admit I have read next to nothing about the 'Classical' Inhumans from before the time Charles Soule and co tried to push them as a replacement for the mutants, the most I read about them was probably in Hickman's FF-Run: Are they also this.....horrible in the comics? I mean from what I have gathered Maximus got a good deal of Adaptational Heroism for the show, but I read no such thing (for the contrary) on the Royal Family. Are they really such elitist pieces of crap or did the showrunners just not get the comics at all?

edited 29th Oct '17 11:20:20 AM by Forenperser

I dunno, but when you want to create expies of the X-Men, who are basically all about equality and inclusiveness, and start by creating a royal family...

Yeeeah. There's a reason the Inhumans started out as enemies of the Fantastic Four. But see, there's also a reason why, when they decided to change that, they did it quickly. It's not a part of their story you'd want to spend a whole season on. If anything, having the Royal Family finally decide to reform the caste system in flashbacks, and having the revolution start up in order to prevent them from moving their society forward. Comic book Maximus actually *did* develop powers— Psychic Powers, which he hid as part of his ongoing scheme to seize the throne. And in the comics, there isn't a huge segment of the Inhuman population that doesn't develop powers— instead, they have the Alpha Primitives, effectively a kind of organic robot, but pretty much everyone is a full citizen whether they go through the Mists or not.

Attilan isn't supposed to be some lunar (occasionally underwater) utopia. They're advanced, but flawed. The show basically takes everything that was bad about them, but which was rehabilitated over the past 50 years or so, and not only plays it totally straight but actively makes it worse.

edited 29th Oct '17 1:31:37 PM by Unsung

In the comics, Crystal is actually the token good teammate of the family. Here, she's just a huge brat.

As for Maximus, his actions here may be selfish but fuck it, he's still more moral than his brother. He's been given shit for ages because of his humanity, he's treated like crap, he just wants to prove himself. He's outright tragic in some aspects.

Alright so Episode 7:

Triton's back and already this is stupid as hell. The guy has barely even been brought up after he was killed off and now suddenly he's back after Gorgon's death. Should we care? Should there be any reason to care for a guy the writers barely put any effort into working on? And Black Bolt knew but he didn't tell anyone because it was a part of a BS plan they never bothered to foreshadow? There's been no goddamn hints that this was gonna happen but then suddenly boom, this happens just out of the blue, and even then Triton is barely there until the end and he just kinda turns out to be a generic warrior with knives and stuff.

Now as for Maximus, they give us some reason to make us like him a bit less now by making him want to become an Inhuman through a second Terrigenesis, and yet I still feel more sympathy for him than for the main characters. He doesn't want to be condescended to by history because he was a "mere" human. And yet...I still feel a kind of frustration with this. Essentially his goal is to sell out his minority status to be the most powerful Inhuman. Right now I don't feel like I should hate him, I outright pity him. He just wants to be fucking recognized after being treated like shit for years but it results in him basically selling out to prove he's their equal. He even outright says he doesn't feel it's a victory in one scene, like he's regretting that he's doing this.

Medusa meanwhile has an arc of Black Bolt not taking her seriously and talks about how when she went to visit Black Bolt in that dumb flashback, she wanted to gloat at him being in there or whatever? Which...the flashback never gave that indication, really? Feels like pulling shit up just to pull shit up, just like Karnak suddenly finding a flaw in Doctor Dude's formula. And why would he think it'd bring back Gorgon? I want it to bring back Mortus after the shit Karnak did to him in the last episode. Karnak is probably even worse than Crystal, the guy gets way too much focus in this show for somebody so unbearably awful.

Speaking of Karnak, good god that damn fight scene was fucking awful. His powers don't make any sense but the editing here was rougher than Iron Fist's. So many fucking cuts in there, almost felt like it could give somebody a seizure just to watch this. And he outright manipulates Auran now to side with them so that he can get Gorgon back? Selfish. Like, yeah, I can understand Auran being disillusioned but her helping Karnak doesn't make sense after what's happened before.

Crystal does nothing but complain and whine and now she suddenly decides she loves the farmer bro and wants to live out of the palace even though they didn't really foreshadow that too much? And, like, I don't even buy her wanting to be in a "simple" lifestyle when she's spent a lot of that "simple" lifestyle bitching and complaining as a vet healed her dog, but this is just kind of a minor thing that doesn't matter anyways because it gets maybe one scene devoted to it in this episode.

Oh and Maximus suddenly has something where if Black Bolt kills him, Attilan's barrier goes down. Which...wasn't even fucking foreshadowed or mentioned until now and they just randomly throw into the end of this even though I don't see what point there is for Maximus to do that. A lot of this stuff doesn't even feel like it's been built up properly. Black Bolt having a bunker and a plan? No foreshadowing. Medusa wanting to gloat at Black Bolt in the flashback? No foreshadowing. Why is there so little goddamn foreshadowing for this stuff?

Oh and Gorgon's back now. So that whole thing with him dying was a waste.

This kinda sucked. Not as badly as last week's episode but still pretty bad. Just kind of...boring really, I don't even think I have much to be mad at right now except for the usual.

edited 3rd Nov '17 7:10:11 PM by AdricDePsycho

I see two points to it. The first, to try and hold onto power. If he has a gun to everyone's head they won't rebel. The second is petty spite. If he can't rule Attilan no one can.

I'm starting to feel like, while Maximus is now edged squarely into "this shit is not good" territory, I still prefer him to Black Bolt. Of course I guess at this point both are shit so who knows anymore. Make Attilan a democracy I guess.

I just wish they'd, like, foreshadowed it or built it up or whatever. The way they did it felt so sudden and randomly thrown in that it was like a kid at a playground making up having a superpower while he's playing around with the other kids.

...Huh. So we complain about Triton and Gorgon dying, and just like that, they're back? Maybe we can wish Scott Buck into the cornfield next.

So six episodes to get us right back to where we started, basically. That's seriously what we've had, here.

A good bunch of nothing, yes. At least Iron Fist had some form of progress.

It should've been a movie.

This dialog is so bad.

Thing is no one wanted to make the movie.

Hell no one wanted to make this period but they were forced upon.

Except then we would've just had a shitty movie. Turning it into a movie doesn't necessarily stop it from being shitty.

edited 3rd Nov '17 9:15:00 PM by kkhohoho

Oh god yes, this dialog was awful. Medusa is just all "This is tearing us apart!" and I'm like...it's only been like ten minutes, chill.

It should've been a better written movie.