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Cwest5538 Blood Mage Apologist from Kirkwall Since: Aug, 2016 Relationship Status: You cannot grasp the true form
Blood Mage Apologist
#1126: Jan 14th 2017 at 11:44:20 AM

I like it!

Btw, GOW, who exactly is catching Vicky? There's like a million different people that could be there at the moment.

Wooze looks at Glass with a 'please take her away' look
God_of_Awesome Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: And here's to you, Mrs. Robinson
#1127: Jan 14th 2017 at 11:46:05 AM

Scythe, iffen I remember these things correctly.

At least he caught the person that blew themselves up on top of a giant robot and then fell of it. I'm not sure who else that might be, but I admit I haven't been paying close attention.

Cwest5538 Blood Mage Apologist from Kirkwall Since: Aug, 2016 Relationship Status: You cannot grasp the true form
Blood Mage Apologist
#1128: Jan 14th 2017 at 12:33:27 PM

Thanks. I didn't want to steal someone else's thunder or mess something else up xD

Wooze looks at Glass with a 'please take her away' look
Sijo from Puerto Rico Since: Jan, 2001
#1129: Jan 25th 2017 at 5:53:24 PM

The GM of Justice Avengers here at TV Tropes is relaunching the game [1] so if anyone here wants to play a Marvel or DC character, now's your chance. (And no I don't see this as competition- I myself am a long time JA member. If anything the games bring synergy to each other, as you might get ideas from one to try in the other.)

edited 25th Jan '17 5:54:46 PM by Sijo

Reservoir A former adventurer... from Eastern US Since: Jan, 2013 Relationship Status: Browsing the selection
A former adventurer...
#1130: Jan 28th 2017 at 7:02:04 AM

I thought about it, but in a universe combining the DC and Marvel universes, I'd rather play a character similarly combined from one from each universe. Just makes sense to me, anyway.

Now, one thing I like that they did is that they created separate threads for separate locations; ours is having a similar situation with Loads and Loads of Characters who don't get a lot of attention, and I think it'd be cool if we did something similar to give them room to express and grow without taking the currently active ones out of the picture.

edited 28th Jan '17 7:02:59 AM by Reservoir

Sijo from Puerto Rico Since: Jan, 2001
#1131: Jan 28th 2017 at 7:57:33 AM

Well one of the reasons for the relaunch is that the game split in four threads and the GM feels that was too much work for the players (and I agree.) You can still reserve characters in the new game though.

As for merging characters, that has been allowed in a few cases- ex. Marvel and DC's Thors, and Supergirl was linked to Mr. Majestic. You would have to discuss your concept with the GM first I guess.

God_of_Awesome Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: And here's to you, Mrs. Robinson
#1132: Jan 28th 2017 at 1:19:04 PM

Is that what I-

I mean, yes.

Thor.

Sijo from Puerto Rico Since: Jan, 2001
#1133: Jan 28th 2017 at 4:20:05 PM

Dc has had several versions of Thor (but when do they not have more than one of anybody) see here: [1]. Not included there was the Thor Jimmy Olsen met during a time travel adventure in the silver age; hilariously that one's foe Loki turned out to be an imp from the 5th dimension like Mr. Mxyzptlk (and was defeated by being tricked into saying "Ikol". )

PresidentStalkeyes The Best Worst Psychonaut from United Kingdom of England-land Since: Feb, 2016 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
The Best Worst Psychonaut
#1134: Jan 29th 2017 at 8:13:48 PM

So, I've been looking through this RP's vast collection of world-building materials and characters, and I'm more than a little intrigued. Comic book-style universes aren't usually my thing but I'm definitely willing to have an open mind, at least in this case. Lots of potential for character-building. tongue

I have two questions; first, would you say there's been a lull in activity lately, or is the RP usually done at a more casual pace? As I've said elsewhere, I can appreciate that.

Secondly, I noticed there's a few alien races present, alien organisations, and at least a couple of (presumably NPC) alien bad guys, but have there been any alien Player Characters yet? If that's even possible.

"If you think like a child, you will do a child's work."
Sijo from Puerto Rico Since: Jan, 2001
#1135: Jan 29th 2017 at 8:58:58 PM

There was a lull in the holidays but that's to be expected (add to that people dealing with finals and such.) We have a Skype channel where regular players still keep in touch. As GM I guess I should be more active myself, will soon get to it.

As for aliens we don't have any PC ones yet but they definitely are welcome.

God_of_Awesome Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: And here's to you, Mrs. Robinson
#1136: Jan 30th 2017 at 11:27:05 AM

[up][up]Please, please, don't feel written into a corner by everything I wrote for world-building.

PresidentStalkeyes The Best Worst Psychonaut from United Kingdom of England-land Since: Feb, 2016 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
The Best Worst Psychonaut
#1137: Jan 30th 2017 at 2:26:47 PM

[up]You needn't concern yourself with that; I quite like all the stuff you wrote for world-building. Gives us something to build upon. grin

"If you think like a child, you will do a child's work."
FallenLegend Lucha Libre goddess from Navel Of The Moon. Since: Oct, 2010
Lucha Libre goddess
#1138: Jan 31st 2017 at 5:20:36 PM

Some bad news guys. I love how Sijo handles this game, he is a good GM, and all the fun I had. Which is why the following choice has been so painful to me.

Unfortunately it has become obvious to me that I'm bitting more than I can chew

I don't want to outright drop out, but I would like to be considered as inactive. Hopefully I might have more time later to come back full time.

Thank you for understanding.

edited 31st Jan '17 5:24:48 PM by FallenLegend

Make your hearth shine through the darkest night; let it transform hate into kindness, evil into justice, and loneliness into love.
Sijo from Puerto Rico Since: Jan, 2001
#1139: Jan 31st 2017 at 5:39:50 PM

Its OK, Legend. Real Life must always come first. Feel free to return any time you wish. smile

emilyorthoclase from Chicago, IL Since: Dec, 2015 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
#1140: Jan 31st 2017 at 6:21:57 PM

It was nice having you here, Legend, and you're always welcome back!

PresidentStalkeyes The Best Worst Psychonaut from United Kingdom of England-land Since: Feb, 2016 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
The Best Worst Psychonaut
#1141: Feb 2nd 2017 at 9:51:53 AM

So I'm now considering joining up and have been going through a metric tonne of different character ideas, but I'm having trouble deciding whether or not I want to play as a serious, 'straitlaced' character or a more wacky character. Which would you say you'd need more of?

"If you think like a child, you will do a child's work."
emilyorthoclase from Chicago, IL Since: Dec, 2015 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
#1142: Feb 2nd 2017 at 10:31:53 AM

I think our only really wacky characters at the moment are Strip Poker and maybe Operator, so if you want to do a comic relief character, you should be okay.

Sijo from Puerto Rico Since: Jan, 2001
#1143: Feb 2nd 2017 at 11:51:49 AM

Like the little girl in the commercial says, "why not both?" wink remember, you can make as many characters as you want (but only play one at a time.) Just switch when you get bored.

edited 2nd Feb '17 11:52:09 AM by Sijo

Cwest5538 Blood Mage Apologist from Kirkwall Since: Aug, 2016 Relationship Status: You cannot grasp the true form
Blood Mage Apologist
#1144: Feb 2nd 2017 at 12:47:05 PM

I'm going to swap to my new character(s) (if you're fine with that), since it's been a while and Mistfader hasn't posted with his "Raid Boss," and Scythe can't really contribute anymore.

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Sijo from Puerto Rico Since: Jan, 2001
God_of_Awesome Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: And here's to you, Mrs. Robinson
#1146: Feb 2nd 2017 at 2:43:03 PM

Titanic Lore

Some of this will be information I'm repeating, but I felt the need to clear somethings up, get them written down and put them in a form Sijo can properly place somewhere.
Oh my god, this came out a lot longer than I though it would.

The First Titanic War

This is written, spoken and believed by some; that titanic narrative, stories so vast and complex that they were alive, created the universe. This is possible, for such beings are known to exist. It is also possible that it is all a fabrication. For such beings, however, just being a story might be enough for it to be true.

In the Dark Before, before the universe, nothing existed. However, that nothing included logic, such as the logic that something cannot come from nothing. Without any such rule or law to hold them back, lots of somethings started existing. These things fought and preyed upon one another for what little of nothing there was to exist in. One class of beings in this Dark were living and self perpetuating stories, the things that would come to be known as the titanic narratives.

It is said one titan before the others brought all of their kin together and convinced them to join forces, the Titan Collaborator. When this titan began to fill the spaces between the niches of their kin, giving them nuance and shape, it became the Titan Creator. This titan spearheaded the idea of a stable universe for within which their kin could rule together, without fear of the predator of the Dark. They would lead them to this glorious future and become the Titan King.

The universe they imagined was far different from this one. It would be empty of anything significant but themselves. Their would be life but a sterile one, denied agency or will. This would be a universe under the titans' complete control. This was thought to be good, to make it truly the safe haven they imagined.

Their was another titan, the Titan Hero. He was the Collaborator's first follower, his first friend, his first lieutenant and his greatest champion. His irreproachable purity and superiority had beaten back the predators of the Dark and cowed his less cooperative kin into submission. The Hero was the Creator's most trusted ally, and foresaw a future as the right-hand of the King.

There were other titans, but two did not exist. The Titan Impossibility sat waiting in a universe that had not been created yet. The Titan Shadow was a mere shadow of the Hero in a place that did not have light. He whispered in the Hero's ears and warned him that the last great challenges of his life were over. That, in a universe under their complete control, there would be no surprises. The Hero despaired, because he knew this was true.

When the Creator made to strike the universe into existence, the Hero rose up and declared himself the Creator's better. There was an explosion so great that there will never be another one like it and, in fact, it's still happening right now. The Hero became the Light and the Shadow became real. The Creator fought against the treacherous Hero, but the Hero won, the Hero always wins.

The Hero became the King and set the course of the universe towards one of agency and free will outside themselves. For their crime of daring to oppose the Hero, he ripped out the Creator's female heart and cast him down into his own body, the first Hell. There, the Creator, who had been the Collaborator, who would have been King, became the Conqueror. There he smolders in impotent nuclear rage for all time, wanting nothing more than to burn down the whole of the universe until nothing is left but cinder and ash.

The Fall Of The Light

One last challenge lay before the Titan King, to deal with his own Shadow. The Shadow, before he existed, had been the hand to give the Hero the dagger he planted into the Creator's back. Now that he was real, he sat poised and ready to plant another into the new King. He was not simply some outside force the Hero could overwhelm, but still existed as a part of him, his very own flaws made manifest.

The Light reached within himself and dueled with his Shadow. The Shadow was everything the Light was and wasn't. However, what the Shadow was above else was treachery and in that time the Shadow had only one ally he could possibly betray, himself. So the Shadow sabotage his own fight, his left hand turning upon his right. With that advantage, the Light won, decoupled his flaws from his perfection and cast the Shadow from himself. The Shadow, now real, now separate, now truly and only what the Light wasn't, now the Villain, laughed.

Now the Hero, the Light, the King, was perfect. His enemies were defeated, his friends knelt before him and he was bereft of the least flaws. Upon the declaration of this fact, he assumed his last and greatest form, The Narrative Collapsing Singularity. All person, place and plan began to fall into the event horizon of his overshadowing glory.

The Hero knew that he had become anathema to his vision of a world of agency and free will. The King convened the rest of the titans and gave them his last order. The Light was shattered by the combined might of the titanic host, and most of his shards were placed into dormancy, with some saying he became the stars in the sky.

And this is where it gets a little weird. The Titan King is still active at this point, but only as the King and then just barely. The titanic host still knelt before him as their king and obeyed his commands, but no longer could he hand out any grand edicts. His general will was followed but his aspect as the Light and Hero were dormant. Still there but also elsewhere. Like the stars in the sky, his heroic spirit may have been granted to a select few souls throughout the universe.

The Second Titanic War

In a time when the sun was young and the Earth was still a molten ball, the Narrative Titans lost a universe spanning war against heroes that rose up against them. First, the trickster heroine Kagazabi fooled the Titan Mutation's Iconic Self into devouring her. When Mutation sought to replicate Kagazabi's essence and add it to her whole, Kagazabi's essence refused to stop replicating. Like a cancer she spread, until the entirety of Mutatation's truest self was consumed, still alive and made into Kagazabi's heart. This was a might blow to the invincible Titans, but irreplicable. No other Titan had quite the same habits as Mutation and Kagazabi would be unable to fool another.

The last blow to the Titans was by the Disciple Of The Light, leader of the rebel forces, a hero who's name and visage is forgotten. That one turned against the Titan King just as the Hero had done against the Creator long ago. The Disciple Of The Light envisioned a future, a better universe, where mortal-kind would not suffer under the yoke of cosmic tyrants. For this, that one enlisted the help of the Titan Maker, the only titan to having anything close resembling empathy for lesser being and only because that titanic machine built herself some empathy and installed it inside her brain.

Next, the Disciple Of The Light captured and caged the Titan Monster. With his rage as the fire, the Maker was able to forge the Omnispear, The Final Resolution, the first weapon and the one to put an end to them all. The Disciple brandish this terrible weapon and sought to use it against the King. Spurred by loyalty, another titan hopped in the way and took the blow for the King. This titan's name was abolished from time and instead transformed into the deathless Abomination. Nailed to its last page by the Omnispear, the Abomination could not truly end but instead be dying forever.

Both sides of the war were cowed by this. Only the Shadow was not horrified and he still circles the pit of the Abomination's grave to this day, laughing. He wasn't cowed either, he is just always a coward. It was the Shadow then who sued the rebel heroes for peace, accepting their demands on behalf of the titanic host and demanding his concessions in turn. The rebel heroes, horrifed by what they had done, accepted these concessions. The titanic host, horrifed by what could be done to them, accepted this surrender.

The titanic host swore oaths to withdraw their truest selves from the main universe completely and forever, remaining within their own setting dimensions for all time. Their component selves were dragged with them, allowed to escape whenever they could. Their creations, their Legacies, their Franchises and their Originals, were allowed to appear when they would and roam the universe wherever they did, for as long as they lasted and for however much they were. Some thought all these allowances were intolerable and ever since force have been at work to, at least, check the greatest of these portions and, at most, put a permanent end to the titans, and damn the consequences.

Titanic Anatomy

  • The Avatar "The Iconic Self" The singular half of the titan's entirety expressed into a relatively compact form. The Titan Behemoth is thought to not have one of these, as "compact" is not a thing he does. The closest equivalent is an infinitely tall mountain at the center of his infinitely large Setting. The Mutation ate the trickster heroine Kagazabi and who ate her right back from the inside out. A close human equivalent is somewhere between the brain and the face.
  • The Setting "The Expansive Self" The other half of the titan's entirety expressed in an entire universe separate from our own. The Titan Monster and Juggernaut do not have one of these, as they are both things that happen to other people. Kagazabi's resides in what might be Mutation's Setting, or some fascimile of it. A human equivlanet is something like a cross between the rest of our body and our house.
  • The Main Cast "The Soul Compendium" The component selves of a titan, compartmentalized parts of the titan's nuances and exceptions. These things have a personality apart from their parent titan, if their progenitor can be described as having a personality in the first place, but are ultimately of their agency and will. It is these entities, and all the lesser entities beneath them, that may actually escape a titan's setting and roam the universe, under certain conditions. They are, more so than a titan's truest self, responsible for the various creations that roam beside them. The Monster only has one, his Lead. Once, in the Dark Before, he had others, but his Lead ate them. These are roughly like different parts of the brains and different organs in the body.
    • The Lead Role "The Core Soul" First among equals of a titan's cast, and normally the closest anyone else gets to interacting with the truest self of a titan without having to face down the force of nature that is truly its truest self. Normally the same sex as the titan, the King's Lead, the Glorious Nova, the Queen Of Light And Heroes, is uniquely opposite. The Creator once had two Leads of each sex, to represent their all-encompassing nature*, but the King ripped out the female half and left the Conqueror proverbially spayed. The Revelry also has two Leads of each sex, though they are nearly one being, and represent the Revelry's hermaphrodetic duality. The Shadow has no Lead, for his Cast would betray any leader among them in a heartbeat. This part can be compared to the brain's frontal lobe or quite poetically be equivicated to the human heart. *It's said that the Creator created the concept of two genders, to create perfect duality.
    • The Supporting Cast "The Sattelite Souls" The component selves of a titan may further compartmentalize themselves into lesser selves. Unlike the unique parts the Main Cast may play, and number they may exist in, the Supporting Cast normally have a set number within six archetypes, namely six. Three are internal souls, the Main Cast members' defining self, indulgent self and reflective self, and three external souls, the guarding self, the expressive self and messenger self. The Monster's Lead ate his Supporting Cast too. These are a bit like parts of an organ, like the chambers in a heart, or the folds of the brain.
    • The Extras "The Least Souls" The numerous races that spawned within and from a titan's essence almost by accident. These things are the furthest removed from the titan while still being an extension of them in some fashion. They have their own free will and agency, or something of a fascimile of it. The comparison here may vary, to vestigial hair follicles to important but free-floating blood cells, to extensions or part of an organ like nerve cells or brain neurons.

Titanic Creations

  • Legendary Mythos "The Legacies" Mortals that resonated with a titan in either some single significant moment or throughout their lives. Either way, the titan willfully reaches out to them and grants that person a lessened mirror of their own power. Acceptance is not an issue, in part because most titans cannot even concieve the possibility that a mortal would reject it. Of those few that can, they often don't care.
  • Exalted Parts "The Franchises" Mortals that sought a titan in one way or another, for one reason or another, and willfully sold their agency and free will to the titan in exchange for power. The titan reshapes the mortal into a new form pleasing to them and send them back out into the world.
    • Fettered Souls "The Cameos" Usually, that's it, but the Conqueror, at least, displayed variance in this arrangement with the Warlock. By allowing Sebastian to retain his free will, the Conqueror constantly feeds his diabolical power into the mortal along with occasional bouts of his diabolical urges. In this way, the Conquerors has more directly, but still tangentially, inserted his will into the world, at the constant cost to a portion of his attention. Other Titans may choose the same route.
  • Divine Novelties "The Originals" Mortal things, relatively, created wholesale by a titan. The mark of its creator is displayed in its entire being for those who know what to look for. They are, often, wholly unique, unless they went on, by design or not, to spawn usually lesser descendants or were created as a set.
    • Avatar Golems "Self-Inserts" Only after their imprisonment did such things occur to the titans. These are things crafted in some lessened reflection of the titan, made from the titan's own flesh and programmed with a fascimile of the titan's personality. Even from the same titan, these things can vary, for these beings are more concept than thing and whatever component self may claim responsibility for it may have a different idea of what their parent entity is.

edited 23rd Apr '17 9:22:21 AM by God_of_Awesome

emilyorthoclase from Chicago, IL Since: Dec, 2015 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
#1147: Feb 2nd 2017 at 3:05:05 PM

Nicely epic. Do I detect some Kirby influence in there?

God_of_Awesome Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: And here's to you, Mrs. Robinson
#1148: Feb 2nd 2017 at 3:33:29 PM

Eeeenope. This is largely inspiredstolen from Xefas's Mythos setting, a D&D homebrew, which is itself largely inspiredstolen from White Wolf's, now Onyx Path's, Exalted setting.

emilyorthoclase from Chicago, IL Since: Dec, 2015 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
#1149: Feb 2nd 2017 at 4:36:26 PM

Fair enough. The idea of anthropomorphized conflicts and multiple universes just kinda reminded me of the New Gods.

God_of_Awesome Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: And here's to you, Mrs. Robinson
#1150: Feb 2nd 2017 at 5:59:39 PM

It wouldn't surprise me if Kirby is listed as one of Exalted'd inspirations.


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