Pokemon Sun/Moon/Ultra versions (contains spoilers)

Really? Guess I haven't kept up with the news, since I've had lessened interest in this one.

Also, Lillie is a trainer now...?

Expanded post-game, one assumes. Since she left for Kanto to become a trainer at the end of the original Su Mo she'll probably become a trainer immediately and then go to Kanto to test herself or something.

edited 22nd Sep '17 5:12:02 PM by Eagal

Someone noticed something interesting: in their original concept art, Lillie was angry and Hau was happy, but in the recent trailer's concept art, Lillie is happy and Hau is angry.

I wonder why Hau's so angry. Did the malasada shop close? Did Gladion tell him to buzz off? Did he realize he's firmly in Lillie's friendzone?

He seems to have twice as many Pokemon in the Paniola Town battle than he originally did, so that's a promising sign for the game's difficulty curve.

There are a lot of people angrily asking about who hurt their happy son.

Wow.... I wanna take some photos with my shiny Primarina, but it won't be "my" Primarina anymore... Well, I can always take some photos and give her back to my Sun copy, I guess. :p

I think I will go for Primarina for Pokemon Ultra Sun, while Decidueye for Pokemon Ultra Moon. I am so excited.

I'm personally not seeing enough new content to justify buying either of the Ultra versions. If there's actual end-game content like a new Battle Frontier, maybe, but unless something like that ends up being included, I don't really see the point.

Probably just gonna wait for the next generation.

edited 22nd Sep '17 7:56:12 PM by AceTrainerEli

Two totally new Pokemon, on its own, is more new content than any other third version game has ever had.

Also, Mantine Surfing. I'd buy the game for that alone.

Two new likely post game only Pokemon. Two monsters is hardly new content when we already know what they look like, imo.

They're probably not going to have much new mechanically going on.

edited 22nd Sep '17 8:34:26 PM by Hashil

Black and White 2 did almost the exact same thing.

edited 22nd Sep '17 8:51:55 PM by AceTrainerEli

@ Zelenal

I see a lot of Hawaiian Rollercoaster ride AMV's for Pokemon Sun and Moon in the future. I wonder if they are going to be surfer type trainers in the game.

There's a surfer dark skinned guy in one of the trailers.

Everyone keeps saying Lilly is a trainer but I didn't see her doing anything new in that trailer, all of it was footage we've seen before and nothing showing her as a trainer.

And LOL at the malasada shops being closed causing Hau's anger.

It'll be funny if wicke was the mean one this time and Faba the nice guy.

A wicked version of Wicke would be interesting.

One of my favorite things about Sun and Moon is that, despite having the most Kill La Kill-esque fucked up plot in all of Pokemon, no-one is actually evil. Lusamine is crazy from Nihilego toxins and is currently receiving therapy to recover, Guzma has self-loathing and an abusive childhood that causes him to have severe anger management issues but he's making an effort at self-improvement, and even the Ultra Beasts are just incredibly powerful animals that were put in a strange and unfamiliar environment and lashed out.

edited 23rd Sep '17 5:26:14 PM by PushoverMediaCritic

I thought the thing about Nihilego toxins was that it removed inhibitions. So Lusamine still has autonomy in that manner.

And I would prefer it that way.

edited 23rd Sep '17 12:37:18 AM by IceAnt573

Yeah, but anyone would do bad things if their inhibitions were removed. After being defeated from her Nihilego form, she had a rapid change of heart about her feelings on Lillie, going from "you are worthless and I hate you" to "boop <3". Clearly it was distorting her mind drastically, otherwise Lillie's journey to help her recover post-game wouldn't have been as important.

And no, you don't have autonomy in your actions if your inhibitions are removed. You literally don't have the ability to say "no, I don't want to do this, this isn't me". You don't have autonomy if your ability to say no is removed.

edited 23rd Sep '17 12:50:19 AM by PushoverMediaCritic

Guzma's father is kind of a jerk.

Lusamine having those kinds of thoughts at all about her children is very questionable. Her obsession with the Ultra Beasts is also unhealthy. I like to acknowledge these things about her.

Trauma tends to mess up heavily with proper decission making. Lusamine clearly is mentally ill, but, off the toxin, she knows and tries to work on bettering herself.

Brain chemistry is quite complex.

I mean, if Lusamine has encountered a Nihilego before and their toxin is addictive somehow, then that's definitely a fair explanation for her going crazypants.

To explain just how important inhibitions are, even some of the greatest pacifists in history admitted there were times where they felt tempted to give into their anger. If self-control is the only thing preventing someone from doing something wrong, and Nihilego removes that self-control, that's a recipe for trouble.

You know the shoulder angel/shoulder devil thing? Removing someone's inhibitions is the same as taking away the shoulder angel.

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