Fate/Grand Order

The in universe justification is Elizabeth can sing well if she’s doing it for someone else’s sake which she is not 90% of the time.

Also it’s literally impossible to account for every single players feelings in a game that’s not built for the ground up to accommodate a million choices to mold the player character and Guda is still obviously written with no past besides being the most normal person to ever normal. I don’t relate to Guda most of the time either because they often write them like they’re a straight male Japanese teenager but that’s not really enough to make them a real character to me. I guess you can call it the platonic ideal I’ve seen of a self insert in all the gachas I’ve played.

I will still believe in the obscenely well off house as per Id because that's unintentionally hilarious

this is what elizabeth's singing actually sounds like

part of the problem is her lyrics are objectively absolutely dreadful

More Servants should probably be like "like heck I'm going back after we're done with this, I like being alive and fighting and I'm gonna find a loophole" or "I still want to stay for Master's sake, if the Throne has an issue with it f**k it, I'm gonna think of a way to stay".

These guys and gals didn't ascend to the throne (for the most part) by laying there and letting themselves be carried away. Even in other Fate works, many of them aim to actually stay in the world, like Iskandar. Several of them, sure, would be okay with leaving after they are done, but all of them? Bull.

Staying around is not an active choice most servants can even make with the only ones who do either incarnating as humans (and thus lose all their powers) or have a master with unlimited mana even if the grail is gone.

Edited by Mami on Apr 14th 2024 at 7:21:38 PM

One would think that having a think tank of several of history's greatest geniuses and magi would be helpful with that, even Medea on her own in SN implied she could engineer a way to stay in the world without having to complete the ritual the usual way.

But it must be obligatory to hammer the 'all of this is fleeting hence precious' message.

Gil didn't lose his powers upon incarnating. They only need a reliable power source that involves less zombie orphans.

Edited by TomWithoutJerry on Apr 14th 2024 at 11:37:21 AM

Or they get incarnated by the Grail Mud like Gilgamesh or Amakusa were.

Gil never even needed the orphan batteries IIRC. They were accepted basically because Gil considers them offerings from Kirei.

Edited by Tsuzurao on Apr 14th 2024 at 2:38:42 PM

Well, the poly ending with Unlimited Blades has Altria staying with Shirou and Rin. But it takes a lot of Mana. Same with Heaven Feels with Medusa. Cooking with Emiya and Hollow have all the Servants staying in the mortal plain. Though, those are in the lighter side. Fate route does the inverse by having Shirou ascend to Avalon to be with Altria.

Then there's the Extra endings having the Protagonist be with the Servants with different reasons.

Really, 9f FGO ever commit to Guda being with a Servant, they come up with something.

Apocrypha had Astolfo running around though thanks to Sieg still being alive even if as Fafnir now, giving him endless Mana, and the Idol event established that Ms. Crane remained even after her first master died... it's just she had to be very conservative with her Mana usage and was basically starving while being hunted by the Mage's Association since they wanted to kill her.

Even if the Servants remaining Summoned would be ideal, it's not feasible unless they all Incarnate, or we have a massive Mana battery, and even the latter would just run afoul of dealing with the Mage's Association when they inevitably return. Though wiping them out could work too It would be much more feasible a Happy Ending to just have Chaldea's remaining members be recorded in the Throne as Heroic Spirits, since they can access their memories in the Throne and could remain together that way. Though that still leaves the issue of the Servants who aren't technically in the Throne but recorded in the Chaldea Summoning System, like the Lostbelt Servants.

Edited by RebelFalcon on Apr 14th 2024 at 2:59:23 PM

ISTR Gil needs the batteries to display his Noble Phantasm to its fullest but otherwise can function well without them. Still, most Servants would prefer having as much power as they can, even if through more human means. At the very least, they should put some thought on staying, even if it's for someone to put the idea down. At least do a token effort, because by one side you're giving the "we'll go anywhere for you" idea and then also saying "but when this is done by bye foreva" in the same breath, which again, makes sense for some of the most fatalist Servants but not the most stubborn Determinators.

Let's not be delusional, there's no reality where this could happen.

Also you get summoned into the grail war, usually to kill other people, probably to die yourself. Thinking about incarnating is putting the cart before the horse

Edited by Mami on Apr 14th 2024 at 8:07:29 PM

I can be as delusional as I want, thank you very much.

Well, there are some servants that really have no use for the grail, so those should be the ones safer to reincarnate.

I finally beat Olga Marie! Never again!

I dunno why you're so proud of that man I had an NPC help me with that way back in Fuyuki. She didn't even drop anything. Very disappointed.

Okay but seriously this whole Ordeal Call thing or whatever is probably gearing up to let us summon her right?

Pretty much, each quest drops a piece of her medal that hints something will happen when they're put together

x2 I'm not proud. I'm just happy I'm finally done with it and I can ignore it from now on. If this was the waste hole, there'd be another pillar because of how much frustration and despair I got put through trying to complete it.

Quite honestly, the Pretender unlocking is a lousy prize that makes me want to throw it back at her face.

Edited by Zabilac on Apr 14th 2024 at 6:15:55 AM

I was making a joke about Lev murdering the real Olga Marie, not trying to demean you.

We're gonna Captain Planet the President back.

Like this?

(Sion): "Flare!"

(Da Vinci): "Water!"

(Gordolf): "Rage!"

(Mash): "Joy!"

(Fujimaru): "Tsundere!"

...

I'll see myself out as I snicker.

inb4 the names of the Olgas are Flare, Aqua, Tempest, and Earth.

Better than Flare Aqua Remade Tempest I suppose.

Truthfully that does sound cool.

I don't know about cool but it's overwhelmingly "something Nasu would do".

>Aqua

Useless Olga.