Anime:My Hero Academia

It might be that he needs to do the DNA thing to transfer AFO itself, but none of the others.

Though honestly if he ever does pass everything on I could see it happening all in one go, after which he crumbles to dust.

In a fashion that cruelly echoes the way Shigiraki's actual father probably died.

You think AFO ever buffed his allies with Quirks that compliment s their natural one?

‘My ignorance is just as good as your knowledge.’

On that note, I had a thought a bit earlier: Could AFO have given Shigaraki his Decay quirk as a kid specifically to screw him over?

It's hardly out of character for him, given he raised Shigaraki to be his successor specifically because of his relation to Nana Shimura, but how possible is it he went that far?

The thing to remember with All For One is that the transfer of quirks is not an easy process. It can destroy a person's mind potentially. The only reason it doesn't do it to the Nomu is because, if i'm remembering correctly, they're rendered mindless from the get-go.

edited 19th Jun '18 3:40:31 PM by sgamer82

Thought about that actually, wish we had more info there.

Acknowledged, but the same time he would have to learn his limit somewhere and after OFA was created I can imagine him experimenting. Plus if All Might was taking out his comrades it would be useful as a "Make my monster grow" type of thing if he's willing to spend the Quirk.

‘My ignorance is just as good as your knowledge.’

I've always interpreted the nomus as being mindless because of all the transferred Quirks. The modifications and drugs were all just to make them more suitable for certain purposes or to "customize" them, like the one that only responded to Dabi's orders.

May be a bit of Chicken and Egg there. Either way they're designed specifically to be powerful Dumb Muscle.

That sparks a question for me now: Just how big a threat were the prior users of One For All before All Might came into the picture? It's probably safe to assume the first few users weren't a direct threat to All For One. His specific recollection of Nana suggests she was a particular thorn in his side, and we know how much he hates All Might.

edited 19th Jun '18 3:52:13 PM by sgamer82

Best guess:By the third he realizes its going to be a very annoying trend, but it's takes the fourth for him to actively deal with them.

‘My ignorance is just as good as your knowledge.’

Oh yeah, the fact that AFO would want Shigaraki to inherit the quirk is assumed from the get go. My theory is that he stored his DNA specifically with the intention of Shigaraki consuming it, just in case something unexpected happened and he couldn't pass it in person.

edited 19th Jun '18 4:05:44 PM by JonnasN

If you're basing it off how One For All works, that wouldn't be enough though. If AFO has no idea when Tomura is going to eat the "stored DNA" he can't will the power to him. That he'd be willing, in an abstract sense, to give it to him wouldn't be enough.

edited 19th Jun '18 4:09:21 PM by LSBK

That and One for All can be passed on through consuming DNA because that was what the first holder's original quirk specifically did. Unless All for One stole a similar quirk later and it fused with his quirk (and considering how many quirks he has, what are the odds of that) I think he'd have to use a different method.

My understanding was that some people could handle two or three quirks, but they needed to be strong willed. So he could have given powers to his allies in order to test them.

And eventually anyone would break form overloading.

The reason many speculate that AFO has similar transfer mechanics to OFA is because of the blood relation between AFO and his brother. AFO can take and give Quirks, and his brother's Quirk can transfer itself. Given how even the idea of transferrable Quirk is mind-blowing to people in MHA world, Quirks meddling with permanent Quirk transfers must be VERY rare, if not entirely nonexistent aside from what these brothers had.

So instead of assuming that the brothers both ended up with this super rare type of Quirk independently, it feels more natural to think that they had "sibling Quirks" that are similar in nature. Which then leads to speculating that AFO might have similar mechanisms with the transfer half of OFA.

edited 19th Jun '18 6:54:26 PM by heejung

I get the that, but I've always figured genetics didn't really play a hand when Quirks first manifested. It was apparently random, so I see like "this person in the family has fire, while that person has water, and the two aren't connected at all."

Genetics only really getting involved when propagation started. Or that made the most sense to me, anyway. But we still don't know how or why Quirks started appearing.

Even if quirk generation itself was random, I could see the quirks appearing within immediate families to be similar if not the same.

Honestly the relationship between them is part of why I think AFO doesn't have a transfer mechanic for itself. OFA could only transfer itself (and the stockpile quirk it merged with), while AFO could transfer any other quirk. Seemed like a solid foil/parallel to me.

It's implied that Kota's parents had some sort of water related quirk, going by their name and theme, and Kota's quirk can control water in some way.

You fell victim to one of the classic blunders!

We see that confirmed in the Muscular fight. I think we also get a little hint to it when Deku brings him food, it looked like he'd blasted the rock behind him.

Spoiler tagging because, given the comment, I'm not sure just where you are and I find in this thread it pays to be extra cautious.

edited 19th Jun '18 7:12:10 PM by sgamer82

I think generally people see it more as AFO can give and take quirks, whereas OFA (or rather, the quirk that became OFA) can only give them.

So it was essentially half of the power.

This show's pretty good...

The latest episode is probably the only time I've ever really felt choked up emotionally at watching something...

That's neat.

YO. Rules of the Internet 45. Rule 45 is a lie.

There isn't much reason to believe quirks were random within the same family when they first showed up. And even if they were, for all we know, AFO and his brother might've technically been the second generation.

Regardless, it's undeniable that these two siblings had similar quirks (one could give and take quirks. The other one could only give), so it's not very likely that they got them randomly and independently from each other (especially when transferring quirks between people seems to be a very rare thing, even in the current generation). The genetic connection just seems like a far more likely explanation, considering everything we've seen so far.

AFO and his brother are explicitly 1st generation Quirk users.

Comparing the situation in the present to when the event first happening just never worked for me. People having similar powers because they inherited they have the same parents isn't the same thing as people who are related getting the same kind of power from a (as far as we know) random event.

Unless you want to argue there's a genetic reason that whatever type of Quirk appeared in whatever person, but we don't have evidence for that either.

edited 21st Jun '18 2:33:54 PM by LSBK

I dunno. If quirks are genetic in nature, it would make sense to me that similar quirks would manifest in people with similar genetic makeup (i.e. immediate family).

I wonder now if mutations were more or less common back then, though.

I guess, but does it actually matter at this point. How, why, and what factors are involved may very well never be revealed.

This was brought up in regards to them having similar transfer methods, which makes it even less relevant. Even if they're similar because of a genetic basis, Shigaraki eating some left over hair or something still probably wouldn't give him AFO.

edited 21st Jun '18 2:47:20 PM by LSBK

Wait, i thought AFO's brother was quirkless.

Wasn't OFA created by AFO himself? Because i'm pretty sure OFA wasn't born with his quirk.

Uni cat

AFO's brother's quirk was the ability to transfer his quirk to others.

Obviously this by itself was useless, it's only when AFO gave his brother a stockpiling power quirk did he notice as his transfer quirk mutated & fused with the stockpile quirk to form OFA.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."

One For All was created when a "power stockpiling" Quirk that All For One forced on his younger brother fused with the younger brother's own Quirk to "pass down Quirks" that they didn't even know he had.

That was a very big explanation and took up a lot of an episode, how is that more than one person missed this?