Rogue One: A Star Wars Story

...Huh. I've been misremembering that for a long time.

By Hoth The Rebellion clearly had at least 1 battle task force that was on the run so they were way beyond cells at that point.

The build up at Yavin and destruction of the Death Star was the tipping point to where they had enough to go full size in the old EU.

I was joking.

I'm just saying that if you can buy that the crew of the Ghost can survive repeated encounters with not only the Empire's top assassins but also Darth Vader himself, believing that the Rogue One guys can survive shouldn't be much of a stretch.

Maybe you'd be less disappointed if you stopped expecting things to be Carmen Sandiego movies.

Reikan's task force, which was more than likely part of a single cell, which is why they lost so badly on Hoth in the first place.

Ah, okay.

That's true enough, although I think there's a distinctive tonal difference between Rebels and this that could make a difference in that regard.

Regardless, expect deaths here.

Oh God! Natural light!

I mean yeah, of course there's a difference between a war movie and a Disney cartoon. But at the same time, well, if you want to pretend all this stuff fits together with 100% coherency, and therefore the Empire in Rogue One and the Empire in Rebels are the same guys, and you couldn't take the Empire seriously if most of the Rogue One guys survive an encounter with Vader and his forces...

Well, I've got bad news.

Maybe you'd be less disappointed if you stopped expecting things to be Carmen Sandiego movies.

Well there are plenty of rebels left by ROTJ; the Empire obviously didn't kill them all.

I'm almost positive Jyn will live. Everyone else is fair game in my mind.

I'm fully expecting Saw and Chirrut to bite it; this isn't exactly a series known for being kind to old mentor figures. Probably at least one of the aliens as well.

Have we gotten any more evidence towards the idea that this movie showcases the last Inquisitor? I think that would be a good way to tie the movie in with the TV shows.

There was also the Mid Rim Campaign in Twilight Company, where the Rebellion went with a full-scale offensive into the Mid-Rim that's probably one of their most ambitious operations until Endor.

I don't think we've seen any new shots of Mystery Hooded Figure since the teaser, so no, but I hope it's the case.

Don't see the Inquisitors being very important to the plot. To anyone whose not been following the TV shows (i.e. most of the audience let's face it) then having them appear would come a bit out of left field. If they bring the 'last Inquisitor' in, most viewers are not going to know nor care what the big deal about them is.

"These 'no-nonsense' solutions of yours just don't hold water in a complex world of jet-powered apes and time travel."

I'm 90% percent sure at this point that hooded guy was Vader without his helmet at this point.

I doubt Vader would be running around without his helmet.

If a tree falls in the forest and nobody remembers it, who else will you have ice cream with?

Same. If anything I would posit that the Inquisitors would be with Vader as a bodyguard or the Emperor's eyes.

I don't see much Continuity Lockout with the Inquisitors. They're not a hard concept to introduce. Like: The Last Inquisitor arrives, doing a dramatic stroll, and Orson looks at him, unimpressed "Ah, the Inquisitor! The last of the fabled Jedi Hunters. I thought your order was dead?" And the Inquisitor replies "Not as long as I'm standing."

There. Entire concept introduced.

"All you Fascists bound to lose."

Isn't the idea that the Inquisitors died out after Rebels only Word of God anyway? It's not like there's any canon they're in danger of contradicting by just plopping one into the plot.

"The difference between reality and fiction is that fiction has to make sense." - Tom Clancy, paraphrasing Mark Twain.

Sure. And then what? The vast majority of the audience won't give a crap about this Last Inquisitor. With all the badass normal types running around, a new droid character and Darth effing Vader bringing the Dark Side awesome, some punk Dark Sider no-one knows nor cares about will just be lost in the background.

Ben Mendelsohn is getting the bad guy hype. Vader gets props because he's Darth Vader. What would an Inquisitor bring to that party the two of them don't already provide? It works in Rebels because they were under the radar for the most part, once they got enough of a reputation Vader himself stepped in. With a potential threat to the Death Star, Vader's the first resort, not the last.

"These 'no-nonsense' solutions of yours just don't hold water in a complex world of jet-powered apes and time travel."

My idea would involve the Inquisitor as the final boss of the movie. We can't have the cast beat Vader but a team of non-force users beating an Inquisitor is certainly possible.

The Inquisitors aren't that tough in the grand scheme of things. IIRC Filoni said something like if Rebels were an RPG, the Inquisitors would be level 5, Ahsoka and Maul level 75, and Vader level 100.

They're definitely well above a normal person, but I could still see a whole group of non-Force-sensitives taking one down.

edited 17th Oct '16 9:02:12 AM by HamburgerTime

I feel like that doesn't fit what we see in the show. Ahsoka and Vader are strong but I don't think they're that much stronger.

If they go by the comics and such current Vader can pick up an AT-AT with the force and crush it without much effort.

Inquisitiors can't really hold a candle to that and the Emperor himself made sure that their power was limited and couldn't become strong enough to actually be dangerous.

Really they are just elite mooks trained to counter low to mid tier Jedi. I am betting that the one in the movie is just an intro boss to be creatively taken out before the plot begins.

edited 17th Oct '16 10:28:22 AM by Memers

Ahsoka took on two at once without any apparent effort and handed both their backsides. She's certainly on the next tier up from the likes of Kanan and Ezra who were both on the other end of the backside-handing when they went up against Inquisitors. And Vader in the show had a walker fall directly on him then sweep it off with a wave of his hand, totally unscathed. Don't think any Inquisitor is going to be pulling that trick.

Honestly, if there are elite mooks to be fought (assuming the Death Troopers don't take that role) then an Inquisitor might get the job but it's more likely to be an ISB type, given these are non-Jedi which puts them out of Inquisitorial purview.

"These 'no-nonsense' solutions of yours just don't hold water in a complex world of jet-powered apes and time travel."

Ahsoka is strong but I don't think she's thirteen times stronger than an Inquisitor. Maybe two or three times as strong at most.