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Larkmarn Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Hello, I love you
#1: Jan 14th 2016 at 10:45:49 AM

In Parental Abandonment, there's a paragraph that reads as such: It should be noted that parental abandonment does not always mean either or both parent(s) leaving, but also the child being ignored by the parent, knowingly or unknowingly.

Why is this included when we have Parental Neglect as a separate trope? It just seems redundant and honestly, kind of misleading.

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#2: Jan 14th 2016 at 12:00:03 PM

There's also this line

Even if both parents are alive, they may well be emotionally or physically distant (although that's just Parental Neglect).

which attempts to include neglect as a form of Parental Abandonment and then immediately undercuts it by saying it's not. I would say these bits are probably the product of conjoined efforts by different tropers with differing opinions on whether Parental Neglect should be considered a subtrope of Parental Abandonment or merely a sister trope.

Looking at the page, it's in dire need of some trimming.

edited 14th Jan '16 12:00:32 PM by TobiasDrake

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Larkmarn Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Hello, I love you
#3: Jan 14th 2016 at 12:17:09 PM

I also have issue with the fact that being dead counts for Parental Abandonment, but that's another story.

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#4: Jan 14th 2016 at 12:22:04 PM

It's the cheap way to invoke Parental Abandonment issues without making the parents dicks as well. It is completely valid as a cause of the trope, because it's about the character's emotional state and not the precise details of the circumstances.

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Larkmarn Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Hello, I love you
#5: Jan 14th 2016 at 12:23:22 PM

I just feel like the parents being dicks is kind of a huge part of Parental Abandonment, hence my issue.

But like I said, that's neither here nor there. I'd rather not get sidetracked.

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#6: Jan 14th 2016 at 12:26:21 PM

Parental Neglect and Parental Abandonment should be kept as distinct as possible. It is possible for both to occur or have occurred in the same story, but for the latter to apply, the parents must be absent, not merely distant or uncaring.

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#7: Jan 14th 2016 at 12:29:24 PM

How about Disappeared Dad? It has the same issue: Or maybe it's psychological absence — he's physically there, but is completely negligent in his fatherly duties.

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#8: Jan 14th 2016 at 2:32:54 PM

I would call that Trope Decay and remove it, plus any examples that are entered under its scope.

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