The Global Refugee Wave and Migrant Crisis

That is the biggest problem. We can't really tell where they individually came from. Apparantly European and German diplomats are currently trying to sign an agreement similar to the deal with Ankara with Tunisia.

You didn't suggest sending them back, you suggested putting them in internment camps, that's what Australia is doing.

Send them back, yeah it's not nice, but it might well be the best idea, it's a hell of a lot better then what you suggested, which was torture camps like Australia has been using.

Besides, when does Australia catch them? When they are on the sea? Then it'd be really nothing more than an additional level of distress.

Australia catches them at sea then puts them in camps in other countries, the camps are in other counties for the same reason that Guantanamo Bay Prison is in Cuba, so that Human Rights don't have to be respected.

I was thinking about the "turn the boats around" slogan not the part about the camps.They might end up in camps in Africa, but that depends on what the respective government does.

edited 30th May '16 11:41:16 AM by Zarastro

As long as they're camps run by the locals and not ones run by us over there so that we can avoid humans rights laws that's not entirely our problem.

Though honestly we as human beings should still be taking in refugees, though as the recent thing with Albanians proves it's not just refugees making the attempts.

The Dalai Lama says ‘too many’ refugees are going to Germany

The Dalai Lama can go suck a dink.

He is right though. Germany did accept too many refugees and in order to cope with them we now must hope that the number refugees remains low for the next 2-3 years. And technically all refugees should return once their home country is safe again. But since most of them will most likely be grown accustomed to Germany and a lot of money for their intrgration will have been spent, it would be impractical to do so.

The number th articles quotes is false too. Last year 1,2m refugees came to Germany and the last 3 years we had roughly 2m refugees.

edited 1st Jun '16 4:02:51 AM by Zarastro

I mean he's not wrong, Germany is largely carrying the can for the rest of Europe at the moment and that's not right. The problem is when people draw from that the idea that refugees should simply be sent back or left to die, the answer is for refugees to be placed in other European countries, not abandoned.

Germany in the long term is going to benefit immensely from this if the refugees stay.

It can tank the initial cost of the influx, and dividends will come soon enough. Hungary and al. are stupid, ignorant, bigoted suckers, that's all there is to it. They'll never become senior EU members at that rate.

That depends on whether there still is an EU after all this.

edited 1st Jun '16 6:28:04 AM by Greenmantle

We shall see. In economic terms the next 20 years will be a net loss but if everything goes right, Germany might indeed benefit from it. But there are huge challenges ahead and we might very well end up having conditions like the Banlieus in Berlin in the future. And that is ignoring the huge political costs that are resulting from Merkel's refugee policy.

Y'know I remember seeing a while ago a study or something which said that the economic benefits are actually displaying already now. Wonder what the formal research has to say about short term economic effects.

Well, the refugee crisis did force our government to spend more and thus increase domestic demand. However there would have been other ways to achieve this, e.g. investing in Germany's crumbling infrastructure.

There have been many optimistic predictions by experts both foreign and German that at first but ever since it became clear how difficult it will be for those refugees to find a proper job, this optimism has mostly faded. Most experts believe now that the current generation of immigrants will cost the state more than they'll earn since they'll need expensive lessons and many are too old to work long enough in order to pay enough taxes to earn the minimum pension that the state guarantees.

Europe migrant crisis: Charity rejects EU funds over migrant policy

Well no wonder, they run on principles not politics.

Looks like Canadians have some concerns regarding the treatment of refugees here.

https://www.thebeaverton.com/national/item/2283-canadians-concerned-majority-of-refugees-haven-t-been-hugged-yet

Pretty sure that's a joke news site.

Hence the

So, according to local radio, a "crown witness" trafficker in Italy has stated that apparently some people paid for the transit with organ donation. Or even better, that people who could not pay were killed and their organs harvested for organ trade. Dunno about independent confirmation.

A Nigerian refugee who fled Boko Haram with his wife was killed by an Italian "ultra" football fan. Apparently he tried to defend his wife from the abuse she was getting from the ultra.

Leaked document says 2,000 men allegedly assaulted 1,200 German women on New Year’s Eve

Hungary deploys army to push migrants back to Serbia