As promised, here is a longer article originally written in German and translated by Google (I corrected some mistakes to make it better understandable, but I don't have time to do this with the whole article). It is about the special training for underage refugees who enter Germany (those who are teenagers).
Julian Staib Author: Julian Staib, editor in politics. Consequences: "Even the fittest can not make it," says John Fischer, head of the District Youth Office Rosenheim. Fischer is a man with short gray hair, hands-kind and clear words. From "a certain euphoria" he reported that prevailed even with him in view of the commitment of young people. This will somehow be allright, so he had thought in the past year. Now he says: ". The people who make it, you can count on one hand" only a "very small fraction" of successful training. When asked Fischer whether the young refugees could alleviate the problems of demographic change in Germany, then he says a pretty sobering sentence: "No, not this generation."
Fighting learn instead School More than 67,000 "unaccompanied minors" refugees lived the end of January in Germany. They are so called because they entered without parents, no relatives. You risked everything for the flight and must remain in most cases in Germany. Authorities, social support, business - all employ to compete for the integration. To whom, if not with them, so it could succeed? This thought also Fishermen. But now, he says, his expectations were declining drastically.
Unaccompanied minors must be supervised the children's and youth rights correspondingly expensive. By the end of last year the municipalities were responsible, in which the migrants were apprehended. Often it was the district of Rosenheim, because here end the Balkan and the Brenner route. The county and the city of Rosenheim took last year to a total of 4,800 unaccompanied minors, in 2014 it had still been around 650th Meanwhile, the youth will be distributed to the Königstein key corresponding to all states. But now that the hardships of the accommodation to the background, is shown that the integration is much more difficult than expected.
With Syrians everything was different, say those who work in care. But Syrians often flee as a family. Among the unaccompanied minors are hardly Syrians and of course no Syrian doctors as politics and economics in Germany hope in a strange mix of immigration and asylum debate. But come many young Afghans and Africans. Eritreans that tell you that they have never gone to school. Why? "Fighting," [he says that in the German article too] says a young Eritreans. The asylum applications of people from the military dictatorship can expect a positive response in the majority of cases in Germany. The young man will probably receive the most constant protection. But what is he doing here?
Do not know how work is going
In the "Boys work", an integration project in Rosenheim, about 30 young refugees are cared for in addition to approximately 200 German maladjusted or learning disabled children and adolescents. The Employment Agency, the job centers, the youth welfare office and the community do everything so that young people get an insight into the working world. Federal and community work together to the economy, in an exemplary manner, as they say. It is a flagship project in a showcase area. German Economics Minister Sigmar Gabriel was to visit. About three percent of the unemployment rate in the district, which means full employment. The local economy is desperately trainees. 2200 availability in the city and county were reported, 2015. "It is high time to act", commented recently the chairman of the local Chamber of Commerce. "Refugees are possiblly the key to solving the apprentice shortage."
They had high hopes for "Boys work". They were dealing with dedicated, polite, grateful young people who came there. In the evening you had to pull them out literally from the German classes. "But in the past few months every day our eyes are opened more," says Astrid Langenegger, Co-Managing Director of the Initiative. "About 80 percent of young people require almost fully nine years schooling. An apprenticeship is not really realistic, "she says. "Motivation is great, but does not replace education," says Co-CEO Hans Mitterer. They are sitting in the meeting room of the establishment. When it comes to success stories, they keep coming back to talk to the same handful of people. But often they shake their heads. Many disappointed expectations. Also on the part of the refugees.
After 2 days training hairdresser Among the young people in Rosenheim are mainly Somalis, Eritreans and Afghans. Here they found large differences in the work culture, says Langenegger. "With young people from African countries we have imagined it to be much easier." Syrians, but also Afghans are much closer to Germany. Sometimes the helpers seem to to mortified about what they are saying. Then ask: Does not that sound like a prejudice?
Training in Germany: the standards are too high for most young refugees
The young people are a week working in the internships two days of eight hours each. But many fail to do so. "They do not know how work is going," says Langenegger. She calls it a "confrontation with the world of work". There were young people, is reported in Rosenheim, who had watched a hairdresser in her home for two weeks after that worked as a hairdresser. In Germany they want now. But they do not understand why their education once consists only to wash hair - and why they do not earn enough. They have put their lives on the line and paid a lot of money to go to Germany. Now they are on target and have to quickly send success stories home - and money. Failing that, this is a big disappointment. A vacuum opens up. "The throw out begging when they see that they have no prospects, quickly make money," says Fischer.
Space and staff shortages
Young people need to be brought into operation, "before they see Hartz IV" [unemployment benefits] says Mitterer. In the youth services to migrants is taken, the self-organization. They will, if they are younger than 18 years old, so well that just goes currently, supervised around the clock. So it wants the child and youth rights. The age check in so-called clearing procedure is complicated and virtually impossible in adolescents 17 to 18 years. Some of taken charge of refugees say at some point, but they are already grown. Then they come in a shared accommodation, like other applicants, receive pocket money after Asylbewerberleistungsgesetz (in Bavaria 143 Euro) and are again somewhat independently. But many eventually disappear, have other plans. The federal police had stopped briefly in Rosenheim, now they travel up further - to the big cities or to Scandinavia. "One fifth of the skin," says Fischer. "We can not stop - and it would not achieve anything out."
Currently, the youth welfare office in the district looks after about 1,200 youth welfare cases German youths and by almost the same number of unaccompanied refugee minors. The are in contrast to most young people from German families receiving health care. therefore for their own youth there was a lack of space and also on staff, says Fischer. In the nineties, when unaccompanied minors were integrated from the Balkans that was feasible, says Fischer. Not today. Also problems in care is reported. Some of the young people did not accept women as superiors. As it is stated then: With you I brush not the kitchen. At home that have made the sisters. Then the social workers pick the boss, Hans Mitterer, who then puts his foot. Then it runs. Mitterer says: Such a mind set does not change itself, just because someone cross over a boundary.
"The complex German world we can not teach them"
Around 1.1 million asylum seekers came last year to Germany. Data about their qualifications, there are still surprisingly few. The Federal Office for Migration and Refugees recently published a study based on surveys of 2014 from but a fundamental trend should be derivable. The suggests that not looking especially the hoped skilled workers and engineers for asylum. Just under a quarter of all respondents in the main immigration countries were therefore no longer than four years went to school. The majority has concluded neither a vocational training still studying; around a quarter of respondents from Iraq has never been to school.
In Rosenheim tell the helper that they now, by the strong influx of no or low-skilled young people, have realized l, how demanding is alone become an education in Germany. At times of war refugees from the former Yugoslavia in the nineties it've given jobs for unskilled workers. Production helper in the timber factory about, says Fischer. Not today. Refugees who went to elementary school, still had opportunities, says the youth office manager. Most of unaccompanied minor refugees but are simply not qualified and could what German children and young people learned in many years, not learn in three months. Fischer claims to a vocational school for the vast majority is excluded. The language course level B2 (about the understanding of the main contents of texts and to abstract topics) was for many of the young people "intellectually unreachable". Fischer adds: "To those missing the coordinate system." Some of the young refugees have gone somewhere a few years in school, now they wanted to study. "Not even on the horizon," Fischer says. "The complex German world we can not teach them," says Mitterer.
Training standards clearly too high On the economy, it is not. The'm interested, enables much that helpers say in Rosenheim and refer to a pilot project in the district of Dingolfing. There is in the autumn a new logistics hall occur with up to 2000 jobs. The district wants to save the twenty places for refugees, they should get an education as a logistics and get parallel courses. Since July 2015, the project is running, but so far only one person has been found suitable. A course is therefore not yet been reached, says a spokesman for the district office Dingolfing. "We are looking for more people." The supervisor of the "boys working" in Rosenheim laugh only when keyword Dingolfing.
Much resentment has built up here over politics. The Assume further that the refugees were much better trained than it corresponds to reality. The German labor market is strong enough to accommodate a large number of refugees - 350,000 refugees are annually "purely quantitative" no problem, recently said the board of the Federal Employment Agency (BA), Detlef Scheele. According to him goes the BA estimates that ten percent of the refugees find work after one year, 50 percent after five years and 75 percent after twelve to 13 years. The Rosenheim District Youth chief officer called the first part of this statement "highly optimistic". The second part is "excluded". From 100 to 150 unaccompanied refugee makes one an education according to his information.
For most, the education standards were clearly too high. Many may perhaps pass the practical part, the theoretical certainly not, says Fischer. In Rosenheim, the helpers also warn, given the discussion about a suspension of the minimum wage for refugees before, now "to double standards" with and reduce about the training standards. The well done not for the weaker German youth. Fischer proposes, "Interim Financial Statements" ago. "Modules", which are feasible. In addition, a "Curriculum for Refugees", a "scaled-down form of training" with more time, enhanced language training and social care. The expectations of the young people would have to be clearly screwed down, says Fischer. Yet Germany was preoccupied with the initial treatment of asylum seekers. "The question of what realistic options have the refugees in Germany is not answered. It does not help anyone, not even the refugees to any illusions. "This recognition come slowly" up "to.
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To summon the article up:
It's about an organisation which has worked with young refugees for years. And experience shows that most of them start out very motivated, but the motivation isn't enough to overcome the fact that a lot of them have next to no schooling. Specifically the ones from Africa have a problem with what is demanded here in order to be allowed to work (also with the schedule in general...the usual 8 hour workday is not the norm in other countries). In addition some of them don't want to work under a female boss and it is nearly impossible to work against this attitude at this stage.
Granted, this article is not about refugees from Syria because there the basics are a little bit different and they tend to flee as family. But the bottom line is that this is an organisation which gives the refugees all the help possible, from language lessons to additional schooling in a region which is short of qualified workers. And yet they can count on one hand how many people they managed to bring into the job in the last years.
Now, think about this further: Those people will never stop putting a strain on the German social system, which already is in trouble because of the low birth rate in the country. It's a recipe for disaster.
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So it's fairly obvious that the vast majority of the refugees don't know German, which honestly is less taught across the globe than English, French, or Spanish. However, isn't it possible for a number of the refugees to communicate with Germans by speaking English or French? I recall that Germans are required to learn either to those two languages starting from elementary school.
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The language is the smallest problem in all this. It's the basic education which just isn't there in too many cases. Plus, the number of refugees who speak either French and English is pretty slim, and the African French is nearly impossible to understand even for a German who has a basic education in French. In addition: It depends on which part of Germany you are in. In Eastern Germany only the young people speak English, because the required language there used to be not English but Russia.
Our society has changed in the last decades. There used to be a time at which it was possible to start low on the ladder and work your way upwards. That is no longer the case. Nowadays you spend years collecting certificates while going from one practicum to the next in order to get some work experience and eventually you might get a job somehow. A high number of people from my generation already created their own jobs, but working as free-lancers or founding their own business.
Beware the Crazy Man.
All this suggests society will be forced to change again.
Final Fantasy, Foreign Policy, and Bollywood. Helluva combo, that...
What you refuse to understand is that the only thing Germany has going for itself is its location in the middle of Europe and an incredible high qualified work force. Our whole economy is built on the "Made in Germany" brand. We can't lower the demands, it would mean destroying everything we have spend three generations to built. And you also don't seem to care what this means for the refugees. They turn up with the idea that they might be able to study (even though they have barely any prior schooling) or fond a business. And they end up on the bottom of society for their whole life.
Where do you think those people who did the attacks in Brussels came from? Those were people who lived and/or were born in Belgium. And they weren't somehow mistreated or anything like this, but they never managed to become part of the existing society, and the frustration turned to hate.
edited 29th Mar '16 7:08:51 AM by Swanpride
I talked today with a colleague of mine (an aspiring teacher) who is doing voluntary work and as such gives German lessons to refugees . What he told me is pretty much what is written in the article. He says that on the one hand as a teacher it is great to teach those people, who are mostly highly motivated and very polite (something many German pupils apparantly lack). However he also talked about the many challenges he faces.
In his classrom of 25 (all of them from Africa), only 3 speak a Western language, and out of those 3 only 1 speaks understandable (although very limited English). The other 2 speak African French and although my colleague is fluent in French, (having lived in France as an exchange student) he can barely understand them.
None of those people have an education that would fit a basic German education. The more advanced students are at the level of German grade schoolers. Almost half of them have never gone to any school. This is a huge problem for many reasons. First of all it you are not literate in your native language, it is even more difficult to larn a new language. In fact, those who have never gone to school have never learned "how to learn" (this is something you are usually taught over the years as a child). They are simply not used to spend hours learning, they don't have the software to process so to speak (this is what my friend told me). There is apparantly one guy (who learned English by listening to English radios) who is very gifted (and my friend suspects to be highly intelligent) who might be able to learn in a few years what he needs and even enter university if taught properly. But most of the others probably won't be able to achieve what German pupils have with the lowest school degree. As my friend said: You can always try and fill the holes (e.g. pupils who failed to get any school degree) but building some thing from scratch is impossible.
Beware the Crazy Man.
Calm down. I was merely pointing out an inevitability, not saying it should happen. So it is not me that needs to understand, but you.
As for Belgium, for every terrorist, there are hundreds more who don't do anything untoward toward anyone. Nevermind the fact that integration in Belgium in particular is difficult given their issues integrating even their "native" populations.
There will always be a lost generation in these situations, sadly. Happened in the US when the Italians and Irish and so on came over at the turn of the previous century. But if Germany (and others) are able to prepare long term for their children, and it seems like thats the case, it will be a boon down the line.
It's just keeping things okay until then that will be the challenge.
edited 29th Mar '16 7:31:03 AM by FFShinra
Final Fantasy, Foreign Policy, and Bollywood. Helluva combo, that...
It never was meant to integrate itself, the country exists as a compromise. It's one of the most artificial countries on the planet. Although Bosnia-Herzegovina has that beat...
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Beware the Crazy Man.
Point being, using that as a barometer for the ability of migrants and (more importantly) refugees to integrate in general is useless.
On a different note: Erdogan has felt attacked by a song one of the German Satire magazine has created (obviously he has never heard of the Streisand effect). He has insisted that the German Government ensures that it is taken out of the net. The answer was pretty much "nö".
Since is the story in English: http://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/mar/29/turkey-german-video-mocking-president-recep-tayyip-erdogan
And this is the reaction of the network responsible for it (which is one of the German State Network...so much for "Lügenpresse"):
https://daserste.ndr.de/extra3/sendungen/ark-Erdowie-Erdowo-Erdoan-tuerkce-altyazl,extra11104.html
The uploaded it with Turkish Subtitles...and promised a version with English ones, too, but it doesn't seem to be ready yet.
Wow, what an arrogant jerk.
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The video on their You Tube channel has selectable subtitles.
Believe me, we're used to it at some point. There aren't probably this many foreign politicians who are as despised over here as Erdogan.
This dingbat had the gall to come over and urge Turkish Germans not to integrate.
edited 29th Mar '16 12:15:29 PM by DrunkenNordmann
Welcome to Estalia, gentlemen.
Ah, okay...here is the link for the English readers here:
For reference, this video had only a few thousand views yesterday and today when I first watched it was less than 400k.
edited 29th Mar '16 2:00:59 PM by Zarastro
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I hope that video becomes viral. I live for Erdogan's saltiness.
EDIT: Pretty catchy, too.
edited 29th Mar '16 4:24:12 PM by LogoP
It is sometimes an appropriate response to reality to go insane.
Careful, too much of his salt could ruin your health.
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True, especially since this one is turning out to have more salt than the Aegean.
Seriously, even dear leader Kim seems to have more chill than him lately.
edited 29th Mar '16 5:05:57 PM by LogoP
It is sometimes an appropriate response to reality to go insane.
Naturally it's catchy...the original song was a big hit by Nena...twice. Once back in the 1980s and again when she did a second, more modern version of it.
There was also a fairly popular cover by Jan Delay.
Beware the Crazy Man.
Topic people...this sounds more appropriate for the european politics thread than here.
Final Fantasy, Foreign Policy, and Bollywood. Helluva combo, that...
It's on topic, because the vid actually criticizes the deal with Turkey concerning the refugees.
Beware the Crazy Man.
The video might, but you all aren't discussing it that way. Refocus the topic or move it to the other thread.
Final Fantasy, Foreign Policy, and Bollywood. Helluva combo, that...
Beware the Crazy Man.
Turkey is shooting refugees as they approach the border.
Turkey is a safe country is it? Shut the fuck up to anyone who pulls that excuse out their ass again.
Final Fantasy, Foreign Policy, and Bollywood. Helluva combo, that...
It's the job market in German. It is one of the most demanding ones in the world. The qualifications of most of the refugees simply don't cut it. And their age works against them, because no company hires someone older than 30 who doesn't already have a decent among of job experience (not to mention that too many companies don't want people without job experience at all, which makes it even for our own university graduates incredible difficult to find an entrance into the job market).
In addition, founding your own business is problematic too. Countless regulations aso which needs to be followed. Even if the refugees had the necessary start-up capital, they would most likely have trouble to fulfil all the requirements.
This is one of the reasons why I keep saying that a lot of those refugees would be better of in other EU states, which still have a job market for lower skilled people.
edited 28th Mar '16 3:56:30 AM by Swanpride