The Global Refugee Wave and Migrant Crisis

Even if Brussels and Paris hadn't happened, it's unlikely Poland would be accepting refugees (except maybe for a few hundred people).

The EU should then punish the Polish government and reduce money they recieve...use that money to help out with the refugee crisis instead.

Bunch of ingrates can learn to live without Western European dole.

There's a possibility for that to happen when the rule of law review gets finished.

I would just like to say that even if the government wanted to take in refugees, the refugees don't want to come to us. There have been families and groups here already, and all of them bailed to the West.

There's this small Polish initiative set up in Jordan, Akkar though, which is focused on the people who couldn't afford a trip to the Europe/stayed for whatever reason. They provide the refugees with some money a month and with some sort of UN initiative that provides food they can actually settle themselves in sensible conditions.

It's also a magnitude cheaper than trying to accomodate them here or anywhere else. I don't know why it isn't being talked about, really, since I presume we're not the only ones doing something of the similar sort.

Poland also took a number of people from Russia and the Ukraine....it's not as easy as saying that they do nothing.

And, honestly, I am currently more worried about Poland itself falling apart.

They pledged to do something for the EU. They renegged. The EU should not reward them with funding.

Taking in Russians and Ukrainians is irrelevant.

The problem also is that we don't really have any semblance of Muslim community formed in the country unlike Western countries or in general countries that weren't under USRR's boot until recently. All the Muslims we have are local Tatars that have nothing to do with the migrants and some single units here and there.

If we were to take even these 7000 people, they would have absolutely no way to integrate with us and not make a local ghetto somewhere.

And I'm gonna go out on a limb and say that since Ukraine is still a problem, it is slightly relevant.

edited 25th Mar '16 3:51:26 AM by FergardStratoavis

It's not about the ease of integration, its about reducing pressure on other nations within the EU enduring this crisis. If Poland can't even do that much, why should the EU stick its neck out for it, even financially?

I mean, it's not like it's just us doing this. >.>

I wish the government just took them, but... well, even the previous one was kind of iffy on that.

Oh I know. And I'm equally harsh to any other country that does the same.

Poland is probably tied for worst with Hungary though, it's one of the two near-Fascist states in the EU currently. Also the hypocrisy is especially strong with Poland, seeing as it was part of Iraq, it's actually one of the western countries most responsible for causing the refuge crisis.

Most people tend to forget Poland's involvement, though.

Not having a sizeable minority could actually serve as an advantage if done correctly. One problem we are currently facing in Germany is that many immigrants want to move to cities where already many of their compatriots are living (e.g. Cologne, Hamburg, Berlin) which has in the past often proved disadvantegeous for their integration since they have less inclination to learn German then.

It is rather sad that xenophobia and extreme nationalism makes people blind for the potential benefits those people could bring to their new countries. Eastern Europe faces a demographic challenge und unlike Germany, where it has unfortunately become evident over the last couple of months that refugees from the ME and Africa will find it almost impossible to get a decent job, (because most of them lack any education, and Germany has one of the most demanding employment marktets in the world) there might find it easier in countries whose employment market don't have such high requirements.

edited 25th Mar '16 4:22:26 PM by Zarastro

Education is the key and we can only hope that the young refugees will get all the chances to learn. There have been numerous articles (in German) about the attempts of integrating refugees into the school system, if there is any interest here, I could post one of them here (they are mostly sceptical with a little bit of optimism regarding the very young children who are yet to go to school. While teenagers from Syria are slightly better qualified, it is almost impossible for people from Africa, especially Eritrea to catch up. Those refugees have next to no education, are often illiterate and despite special efforts will struggle to even find a low-paying job in Germany and only if they are willing to learn for years, which they often aren't because they are expected to earn money fast and send it back to their families).

On a different note: Greece removes migrants from Macedonian border camp

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/mar/26/greece-removes-migrants-from-macedonian-border-camp

The sooner this camp is closed the better.

Secret EU plan to deport 80,000 Afghans

Hoo boy, everything goes now apparently.

It is a start but we ought to do more. There are currently approx. 100.000 Afghans in Germany alone who have no claim for asylum. If we want to prevent further migration we need to send back as many as possible as fast as possible.

The fact that a bunch of cretins went around that camp, giving away leaflets in arabic warning the refugees that the borders are about to open at any day, and that any buses coming to collect them are planning to take them back to Syria, didn't help this at all.

Humanitarian NG Os my ass.

I honestly think that some of those people put more value on their political agenda than on the lifes of those refugees. Not only is it cruel to create false hope and make them suffer under inhumane conditions, when they could instead find decent shelter, they also make refugees risk their lifes with those threats.

It's sad. You know these people probably went home, smugly satisfied about the great moral victory they had achieved over the "racist system".

Meanwhile, at the time, it was raining cats and dogs over the area. So you had people (literally) wallowing in the mud, under heavy rain, in cold makeshift tents, while Pre-WW 1 diseases were festering all over the place.

I think a few children were born under those conditions. It was a mess.

A lot of Afghans are already going home on their own, now that they realize that the living standards a lot of them used to have at home (which often involved an own house and a well-paid job) is not what they can expect to get here anytime soon. The fact that most countries have stopped the practice to allow family members to follow for the meantime is another reason.

I just hope that they spread the word.

X6 If eye have no claim then they have no claim.

X4 Shit like that needs to be illegal.

The first generation of refugees in Germany has almost no chance of integration in the labor market, claims a new study.

http://www.i24news.tv/en/news/international/107558-160327-making-it-big-in-germany-do-refugees-stand-a-chance

Is that more to do with the German government's inability to integrate them, current economic conditions or just the sheer scale they are dealing with?

More the last two reasons than the first one. The problem is that without proper qualification, it is very difficult if not impossible to find a decent job in Germany. And most refugees have little to no education and for them it is very difficult even with proper training to catch up. I'll translate an German article tomorrow that is about the attempts of refugees to learn and why many of them fail. Most of them are very motivated and the government (and many companys) do a lot for them, but in Germany if you want to get a decent job at all, you'll need 10 years of school education and an apprenticeship of 3 years. Most of the refugees have an education that is worth maybe 4 years in school in Germany, a lot of them even less, so it is an almost hopeless task. Of course if there were only a few hundreds we were talking about, it might be possible to integrate them somewhat, but we are talking about hundreds of thousands. There are simply not that many vacant low-skill jobs in Germany.

edited 27th Mar '16 5:27:13 PM by Zarastro