Overlord (2015)

Yes. Which one are you referring to?

Ugh, been too long since I read said novel but I'm almost positive that it wasn't Evileye assessing herself because levels were explicitly brought up and the New World residents don't think in those terms.

IIRC Evileye does actually think in levels. Sort of. She can't see peoples' levels directly, but she has her own scale for expressing strength in terms of numbers which is fairly accurate by New World standards.

She thinks in Imperial levels while Nazerick thinks in metric, if you will.

edited 23rd Mar '18 5:25:57 PM by Prime32

Right, but that's not what I meant.

I think its more the narrative tries to paint him as "beneloved ruler, who always right". While also wanting us to ignore or excuse all the atrocities that he, his guardians and pleiades committed for supposed "utopia" (enslavement of Lizard Men and several other species, cutting down the Quagoa population from 80 000 to 10 000, "livestock" which are known to more members of Nazarick than just Demiurge, a lot of unnecessary torture, needlessly brutal killings of the workers and e.t.), neccesity of which are debatable. Plus racism that most members of Nazarick display, that Ainz doing pretty bad job of fixing, but considering overall Moral Myopia of Ainz and the rest of Nazarick, i dont think he cares that much about such issue.

edited 27th Mar '18 8:20:14 AM by LikeVileVillians

Can hardly wait for the last episode lolololol

Ainz has never been presented as perfect ruler. In fact a lot of his changes and stuff he is presenting is very easily open to abuse.

Welp, won't have to wait too long for a continuation at least

This was pretty fast. It took two years before the second season came out, how much of a boost in sales did the series have between now and then.

So we got 1-3 and then 4-6, right? I guess third season would be 7-9 and really put to rest any misguided notion that Ainz isn't a monster.

Oh, novel 13 at the end of the month. Time to see if whatserface makes it out.

edited 3rd Apr '18 2:31:05 PM by Arha

Man this is gonna be fucking Metal (making double horns).

edited 3rd Apr '18 2:31:21 PM by slimcoder

When has that ever stopped certain fandoms...

Killing two hundred thousand people and then squeeing about how many demon goats he managed to summon is hard to interpret in a positive light.

You really underestimate how much fans change the narrative of something to suit their own interpretations.

I mean, its exactly why we have the Alternate Character Interpretation page to begin with.

I always thought that was more of a sport for academics.

Generally what truly gets people to dislike smomeone in those situations is to have someone sympathetic be brutally murdered by his legions. It helps to sour opinions more than anything else. A Million Is a Statistic for a reason.

And then you get people who say Griffith did nothing wrong and I don't know whether it's a joke or serious.

edited 3rd Apr '18 4:25:39 PM by OmegaRadiance

I think the "Griffith didnu nuffin wrong" thing is 90% a meme and 10% thirsty fangirls.

Don't underestimate the guys that think Griffith is hot!

edited 3rd Apr '18 4:51:53 PM by OmegaRadiance

Yea, reactions to horrible things happening to people in fiction is directly proportionate to how much we're supposed to sympathize with them.

Killing your family, close friends, love interests? That's bad.

Killing 200,000 of people we don't know or have any reason to sympathize with? That's just a number.

I know that's really horrible when I put it that way, but I've seen those reactions fairly often.

edited 3rd Apr '18 5:27:03 PM by BlackYakuzu94

Okay, then Ainz also had the nice mage girl murdered and her little sisters were sold into slavery, where they were worked to death.

edited 3rd Apr '18 5:52:28 PM by Arha

Okay what happened to her sisters was not his fault.

An indirect consequence there, their parents are the ones responsible for their deaths.

edited 3rd Apr '18 5:54:56 PM by slimcoder

Yeah their parents were making things worse even as their sister tried to make things better. It was pretty much no win for the girls.

I'm starting to think Ainz is less of a monster, and Arha is just demonizing his actions.

Like at worst he's very amoral & detached.

But its not like he's become an overtly sadistic monster like Albedo & Demiurge.

edited 3rd Apr '18 6:32:25 PM by slimcoder

Though you could argue he's just as guilty since he's their superior, but can't reign them in.

I recall he can reign them in if he wanted too but he's so scared of them betraying him, he just does whatever they want.

So in that regard he is guilty as he's letting his fear & paranoia prevent him from doing anything about them despite clearly wanting to.