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Not all are, but some are. Asexual is one of those sexualities that depends entirely on the person on how extreme it might be. Some aren't interested, but will have sex for their partner to show physical affection. Some are purely not interetesed at all. Some have medical reasons to not have any desire to have sex at all. Every asexual I've ever met has always had vastly different levels of it.

Kala seemed to walk to the hottub but that's it, no real sex. For a second I thought it was that other ladyfriend Wolfie had.

I agree with a lot of the critiques.

An aspect I liked about the orgy scene was why certain characters were involved. Obviously some are having real sex, but Will's working out, triggering similar neural responses. Wolfgang's in a hottub, which feels pleasurable (though girls can...uh, nevermind ). With Lito it starts as exercise, which can lead to a really energized-but-looser, quasi-euphoric state. It made sense why they connected on a sexual level...I just thought it was really hilarious when some of them (who'd never met before) looked at each other during a kiss, were surprised a split-second, then "whatever." Would've loved more emotional fallout or general "What. The. Fuck?!" though.

Kala is flustered and aghast when Wolfgang "wakes up" in her bed and pats the space beside him. I found that more natural and reflective of their current states.

So, she does appear in the scene. I kind of almost want to count that she is involved in it since why else would she start out the scene? idk.

If I remember correctly, Nomi and Lido are having sex with their partners too and Lido made some comment about 'Best. Orgasm. EVER'.

I wonder what the significance of Caphyeus, Riley, and Sun's lack of involvement.

Well, Capheus does get an erection from it.

WHILE HE'S WATCHING JEAN CLAUDE VAN DAMME ON TV

AMAZING.

Swanpride In regards to Will,that's exactly what I'm talking about. In your own admission,you said if you were the one writing,he'd be the first character to be cut. My question is,how would you change him to be less superfluous? Would you change his talents? His back story etc.?

Phoenix Flame And as for the orgy scene,I honestly didn't think too hard about it when I was watching it,I just thought it was strange and out of place. Like a Big Lipped Alligator Moment.

One of my favorite characters is Sun. I find her dual conflict of being loyal to her family,yet her family treating her like crap to be interesting. It's likes two halves of a whole,if that makes any sense. When she makes that decision,it doesn't hit her until later that she's made a huge mistake. And that got to me,good job on Suns actress for that part. It's really sad and pathetic to me that telepathic strangers treat Sun better than her father and(especially) her brother ever did. As harsh as it is,I think that Sun need to learn this lesson:that there's only so much of yourself you can give to another,especially if said person/family/etc. doesn't care about you/treat you right.Maybe that goes against the message of the show,I don't know. Maybe I didn't word what I was trying to convey properly. But I guess it indicates how much the show,for all its faults, does a good job of making me care about the characters. (IMO anyway)

edited 3rd Jul '15 7:21:51 AM by docia

Will and Wolfgang are too simliar to each other in Terms of skills, and that the relationship to their respective fathers is given a lot of importance, but the only reason I would take Wolfgang over Will is that Will is the second US-American character in the Show, while Wolfgang is the only one from Germany.

Ah, but Will is the only Straight White Male American Lead in the entire show, and as we all know, we can't make an American show without at least one major Straight White Male Lead character.

edited 3rd Jul '15 9:24:50 AM by kkhohoho

Well, Will and Lito had sex, so I wouldn't exactly call him straight.

Something that Will seems embarassed and uncomfortable about. We never get further on that since Nomi intrupts and pushed them to the main plot again.

The Sensate power is portayed as constantly a good thing and, when it isn't, its a small joke and never mentioned again (Will making out with Not There!Riley). I think it would be interesting to go into the cons of the power; it interupting your personal life, how invasive it might feel, etc.

I worry that it might take the 8 of them into God-Mode-Sue land eventually.

Ink Dagger:

It has been made obvious several times, that the bond has a way of connecting through their intents and needs. The connection is weird and random in the first 1-2 episodes (strange people in the mirror, chicken out of nowhere, etc.), but after that it's always happening when a cluster member needs either physical or emotional help, and that the appearing member immediately receives knowledge about what they can help with.

They often know each other's names without hearing it, and have a precise feeling of what they need to talk about (coming out, family, loss, etc.) in emotional scenes, or what they have to do in a physical scene. It's not just someone's mind suddenly being yanked into Nairobi to the middle of a gang war, but yanked inside of another mind, that can provide the necessary details on what the fight is about and who are the bad guys.

Caepheus is not going to summon Kala when he needs to shoot a distant target, Riley is not going to summon Wolfgang when she is mourning her family, and Lito is not going to summon Will when he needs to be told to take pride in his identity.

Similarly, it's obvious that the sex scene could only happen with those who were into it at the time, Will, Lito, Nomi, and Wolfgang.

Kala was just walking towards Wolfgang for a moment, expressing her interest in him, Caepheus just had a weird little moment while watching the movie of his True Love, while Sun and Riley were entirely missing.

If Kala would be more interested in sex, she would have been there, sandwitched between Will and Lito while kissing Amenita, but obviously she wasn't.

Riley was smoking hash with Sun, and Kala was inspired to make the bomb after her speech with Sun about fighting for what's important to you. Kala also talks with Will when he chases away the hindu extremists.

edited 4th Jul '15 4:33:57 AM by Ever9

My mistake then.

I do think there is only so far you can push 'They inherently know everything about each other' and 'They know exactly what they need to help with or know perfectly what to say' before it kind of starts getting a bit... Its going to fall into bad writing if they push it too much.

They haven't hit it just yet, but its a thin line they walk.

I really like Sun and her background. And given her promises of revenge, I wonder how the conflict of punishing her brother for what he did and the promise to the mother are going to be at play.

I guess it is not like there aren't countless soulbond fanfictions out there...they are a guilty pleasure of mine, because they are so rarely well written. But the few which are deal with the implication of having someone else in your head without your consent way better than the show did so far. It is like the show is so busy to push it's political agenda that it forgets to truly consider the characters.

I don't think its pushing its political agenda (then again, I never understood how the fuck people consider having diverse representation a 'political agenda'), but I interpreted it as trying to find an audience quickly and keeping the pacing up.

Let's face it, it could be very easy for a show like this to get focused on the melodramatics. Or become too slow because it'll take forever to explain everything to each individual character and the audience could become lost or lose interest during that time. Not to mention that the Watchowskie's track record is working against them by this point. By glossing over those details, they keep the juicy stuff flowing and find their audience.

Escentially, survivability of a show vs. the quality. Not an awful move but its something I hope they address.

The tricky thing is they needed a unifying conflict to bring the cluster together, but they didn't have time to establish an incidental one that could have touched so many different kinds of people. So it had to be intentional. And if it was intentionally going after all of them, it had to be for a reason, and one of the big conceits of the premise is that literally the only thing all 8 of them have in common is being human beings, a general sense of something vaguely like morality, and the Cluster.

It's a catch 22 basically.

It is not the representation itself, there are some selected scenes in which Nomi feels more like the mouthpiece of the writers than an actual character to a degree that I finally looked up if any of the people involved changed their gender (which I guess, was common knowledge, but since I usually don't care about the private life of celebrities, I honestly didn't know, I just guessed because it felt like it). And I admit, I was kind of bothered that her mother was portrayed that negatively. Oh, don't get me wrong, I don't agree with her and her actions in the slightest, but she immediately came when Nomi was in the hospital, she did believe the doctor that the operation was necessary (and why shouldn't she?), and in the past she did everything possible to keep her out of prison. She is certainly misguided and to some degree a horrible human being, but she is not the devil incarnate she is portrayed as. Even Sun's father gets more understanding from the writers and HE is a guy who knowingly sacrificed his daughter for the sake of his criminal son.

I can't believe the Wachowski brothers decided to include actual birth scenes in this show! Bloody zippity-doo-dah with head emerging and ALL!

I freaked out over those births and sanitized my mind with photos of Troughton afterwards.

They haven't been "brothers" for a few years now.

But yes. Netflix shows can get away with a lot more than standard TV.

Yes, I know, dear chap. But the circle of life for humans is DISGUSTING! If I ever date the Doctor, He can have the offspring if science can make it possible for males to have a full-term pregnancy safely.

...I never got why people think science having to make male full term pregnancy is a thing. If we do anything in the direction shouldn't think like Uterine Replicator s be a better idea? The proponents of male pregnancy always sounds to me a bit more vengeful rather than constructively solving issues.

edited 6th Jul '15 1:08:57 PM by 3of4

While I don't know why they're connected, I cracked up at Lito spazzing during Sun's period. At first I thought it was stupid, but then it hit me Lito's never experienced it...not to mention dudes have less pain tolerance. Him crying about having a "stomach tumor..."

edited 6th Jul '15 1:12:48 PM by Phoenixflame

But remember that Family Guy episode where Stewie impregnates himself using some sort of machine? It gave him a temporary uterus. But him and Brian's offspring winded up coming out of every hole of his body.

Creating an Artifical Machine supported Uterus is was less complicated than building a purely organic one for a body system which can not support it by nature