War for the Planet of the Apes

the rest of the military evidently thought so too

That's what I thought, too. The movie shows no evidence of the Colonel's claim that the virus is depiriving humans of their intelligence, just their voice. If that is in fact all the virus does, it would imply that the eventual degradation of the human race to the barely-intelligent animals seen in the original film is not going to be due to the virus outright reducing them to that state, but due to zealots like the Colonel preventing the humans from adapting to the loss of their language and resorting to mass killings instead.

The fact that the original Nova learns to talk in the second movie would support your idea.

Well, Nova did carelessly walk into the camp. Which implies a decrease in intelligence.

edited 15th Jul '17 10:59:36 AM by ManOfSin

she's also a little kid. Something that bugs me more was her lack of reaction to her father's death- even thought she quickly developed an emotional connection to the the apes who killed him

I think that was to imply that she was out of it.

Was that guy her dad? I thought it was just some random deserter who didn't want to be a child killer.

I wish they had made the whole situation with the virus mutation less ambiguous , because of all the unfortunate implications

I don't follow. What unfortunate implications?

Something to note, the virus is definitely something that affects speech via the brain rather than vocal cords, since we hear one of the guys that Caesar finds in the snow yell out loudly in pain. That would lend some credence to the Colonel's claim that it genuinely does rob humans of their sentience.

that mute= dumb. In fact the word dumb originally just mean unable to speak

Spoilers: My feelings in Gif form walking away from this movie◊

There were a few quibbles but I liked it anyway. I didn't think the "spoken" language was varied or patterned enough to stand in for the sign language, so it annoyed me any time they had Cesar looking out into the distance while somebody else was talking.

And they didn't do enough with Nova to earn her importance in the end. She should have been trying to help the group before that point, but all she was for MOST of the story was a bystander they brought with them. She earned some from being a look-out but . . . she could have done more.

And lastly . . . The way they got those keys was utterly stupid. Not necessarily unrealistic, but serious stupidity nonetheless. Let's fling shit at an armed guard on a catwalk and hope he's such an idiot that he'll leave his safe high place with sight of the entire group just to come down onto our level and yell at us. Yeah, in real life the chances of the guard doing anything other than a warning shot and a yelled, "Next time it happens I'm killing random apes til it stops!" aren't worth betting on. In fact, a real guard would probably forego the warning shot, kill an ape, and challenge them to do it again.

edited 18th Jul '17 2:06:44 PM by Journeyman

so who here thought the other army would have been revealed to be apes

Me. Until the very end of a siege, I really thought that the army were actually apes. Or at least, those who were infected by Simian Flu. I have no idea how that assumption came to my head.

I read ahead, so I knew what was coming. Still, I did not expect or want them to start raising their weapons to fire on the apes before the avalanche came up. I was hoping they'd be serious about finding a cure and coming to a new accord with Caesar's people.

Just saw this.

3 for 3. Not bad.

Ceasar meets his end, but it's fitting. He lost much, but in the end, he did what he wanted to do, and that's all you could ask.

…what?

Sooo... now that Disney is on the path to owning Fox, what might be the word on the Planet of the Apes series? Do we think we might get some kind of sequel series?

I don't there's been any official word on Planet of the Apes. The main focus has been on Fox's Marvel properties and occasionally the Avatar sequels. I don't see Disney continuing the franchise anytime soon, as the Apes movies only did modestly well at the box-office and are definitely more dark and somber pieces than Disney's usual fair.

Thankfully, War ended on a really good point that I don't mind if the story stops here. I can see ways Disney could continue the franchise forward, but they'd have be respectful of the tone established by the previous films and embrace the risky creative decisions the trilogy has taken. I don't know what's going to happen next with this franchise and I wouldn't be surprised if it ends up getting rebooted in the next decade or two.

Yeah, there's no really anything they could do to continue the story; they got away from the humans, Caesar is dead...

So apparently the Wes Ball movie ISN'T a reboot after all?

The plot thickens...

The ape tribe's journey will continue with Caesar's son Octavian.

...Even though his son isn't named that XD