Netflix Daredevil

I don't think they'd get along very well. I mean, Ollie tries to ditch the people around him at least once every couple episodes, while DD definitely wants to still have a life with the people he cares about. He feels more human than Oliver, who feels like a war on crime machine.

And there's the whole money thing - is Ollie still rich on the show?

Nah, he's broke as shit now. Just mooching off his still-affluent sister.

Edit: Did anyone else get bummed that Vladimir died? I started to like him when I saw how deeply he cared about his brother, then the interactions he had with DD.

edited 24th Apr '15 5:28:04 PM by Cruherrx

Same here, mainly after his interactions with DD. He was still a bad guy, sure, but you sort of grew to... I don't if 'like' is the right word, but he ended up being very interesting at the least. Although, who knows; we didn't actually see him die, so maybe if the new showrunners feel like it, maybe they could bring him back? I doubt it, but one can hope.

edited 24th Apr '15 6:11:26 PM by kkhohoho

I liked Vladimir too. Mostly because I was imagining him unleashing his Jungle Beast the whole time:

XD

edited 24th Apr '15 5:57:32 PM by Sisi

I share the impression that Daredevil hit the same themes and tones, and sometimes goes through similar or the same character arcs, that Arrow does, but (imo) pulls it off much better. I like Arrow, but Daredevil does tread the same ground with much better skill - it sometimes struck me as "what Arrow might have been like with a stable idea about where it was going and how the characters were going to get there."

edited 24th Apr '15 6:03:31 PM by KnownUnknown

Shit, I knew I recognized him. Just couldn't exactly place from where.

So are there just spontaneous explosions every time they transform into Power Rangers? Or is that special just for Jungle Power Rangers?

edited 24th Apr '15 7:12:16 PM by alliterator

Nope, every season has explosions. The season after this one actually tried to explain them as energy runoff from the morphing.

Also those back explosions were infamously overused in the 3 seasons prior to JF. Fans call them Kalishplosions, after the showrunner of those years, Bruce Kalish.

edited 24th Apr '15 7:17:24 PM by Sisi

...Of course, the biggest difference between Daredevil and Arrow is that the quality of Daredevil's writing makes Arrow look like it was written by a kindergartner.

Now, now, I wouldn't go that far. It's stronger than Season 3, yes, but back when the Arrow writers seemed to know what they were doing they were just as good.

Well, I'm gonna have to disagree with you there. Arrow's always been entertaining, but the writing was never particularity complex or nuanced.

Another thing that Daredevil has over Arrow and Batman? No silly voices!

Okay, here's a good example of what I mean: Daredevil relies incredibly heavily on Show, Don't Tell, whereas Arrow loves to have characters declare their motivations aloud. So in Daredevil, we spend a lot of time seeing Fisk's mannerisms, watching him trying to pursue Vanessa, and seeing his backstory in flashbacks. Meanwhile in Arrow, for Merlyn we basically got some quick exposition about how his wife died so now he's evil, and for Deathstroke, um, Shado died and he blamed it on Oliver for reasons.

edited 24th Apr '15 10:35:10 PM by spashthebandragon

I haven't watched Arrow because it looks like a discount Batman show and I just have no interest in watching an In Name Only adaptation of a work I have little interest in to begin with. My friend showed me a clip of it where he confronts Merlyn and he does the weird voice thing and I found it even sillier than Bale's Batman voice. Like it's not even intimidating; sort of the stereotypical "disguising your voice over the phone" scrambling thingy.

Though I think it's supposed to be more normal as time goes on? I'm not sure.

I'm a bit biased in saying Dardevil's better because he's my favorite Marvel hero and I haven't seen a full episode of Arrow but what I have seen doesn't even come close to what DD has turned out.

I found this to be a completely by the books story. That isn't a bad thing, since this is a proven formula for churning out good superhero stories, but Arrow did all this first. I'm willing to give some of early Arrow's things a pass since they were pretty much the first and others can look at its flaws and improve upon it, which DD has done spectacularly.

I kept forgetting this was in the MCCU because of how tonally different it was. Fisk is legitimately the most interesting MCCU villain... and there's no chance of seeing him on the big screen. -disheartened sigh-

Well, Ollie actually uses a scrambler, he does not give himself a throatache every time he opens his mouth while wearing his costume. Daredevil is the one who doesn't really care about his costumed voice, even when talking to someone he knows - I feel like Daredevil is Cox' natural voice, and Matt's is him (wonderfully) impersonating a baritone.

Batman has by far the most stupid way of covering his true identity. Especially since his money should allow him to use some kind of voice-changer.

Edit: And now I imagine the DK trilogy being dubbed with Kevin Conroy's voice replacing Bale's while Batman.

Considering Cox is British, he never uses his natural voice . I'm actually quite impressed by it. Being American and seeing non-Americans do a really good American accent always seems to impress me.

That's okay. If they put him on the bigscreen he'd inevitably get screwed over to make room for yet more Loki.

Maybe if they had elements of the Batman Beyond suit. While I don't think that had a voicechanger, I think the way it's designed (his jaw is covered) might have allowed for one.

It's worth noting that Conroy doesn't differentiate his Bruce Wayne and Batman voices all that well either. He used to (Batman The Animated Series had a really good degree of separation between the two, but it was dropped in The New Batman Adventures), but after years of not doing it his Bruce and Bats very clearly sound like the same guy. It just doesn't come up because the things he appears in don't give Bruce too much dialogue anyway.

edited 25th Apr '15 7:49:39 PM by KnownUnknown

As I recall in Justice league he spoke with a noticeably softer voice while making his (sparing) appearances of Bruce Wayne. The voices were close enough that if you knew they were the same guy you would make the connection right away but if you didn't it was feasible that you wouldn't hear it.

Similar but still different.

Finally finished the show. It's very good, I rank it right next to Flash when it comes to entertainment quality (while being absolutely different).

Things I preferred were, in that order, Fisk, Foggy, that fight at the end of ep 2, Wesley, some of Matt's crazy moves, and Karen's picture on Foggy's phone. Everything else I rather liked too, mind you. It kinda obliterates Agents of Shield when it comes to quality.

Fisk is the greatest thing in this show in my opinion. He is exactly as it should, and they managed to make him...humane (not sympathetic) without having to turn him into an honorable Noble Demon. The scene that cemented it in my mind was him walking over the picture of Ben & his wife after killing him. It could have been an easy opportunity to make him noble, but they did not take it, because we are not supposed to like the Kingpin's character.

I would say however that the clues about Gao's & Nobu's "employers" were not enough for me to be that excited about a sequel. They felt a bit...forced. Nobu's costume was one of the things that put me a bit off, I would rather have seen him fighting in his civil wear, with just a small hint that he was not what he looked like (the weapons would have been enough).

There is also something that bothers me about Matt's mask in his final costume. I thing that his nose gets a bit too crushed, it looks pudgy, gives him a square face with the horns (there wasn't any problem when he was wearing his black bandana, it made his face round). It is just weird in my opinion, but it won't be enough for me not to check the probable season 2.

To be honest, in Justice League, Batman would probably not have to bother that much with covering his ID. The villains they fought were large-scale ones, and they would not know a billionnaire from Gotham City. Plus Clark knew his secret identity, Diana too maybe, and Hawkgirl - and since Batman did not enter into paranoid mode during Starcrossed when she appeared in the batcave, he probably knew something was up.

edited 27th Apr '15 4:05:30 PM by Julep

After Starcrossed all the O7 knew. Clark knew from back in STAS, Jonn knew from episode 1 because he was a telepath and Wonder Woman figured it out during or before that episode where they first met modern day Vandal Savage.

Something that still kinds of bugs me. Aside from gaining the block where Elena Cardenas lived, as well as Black Sky, what the hell else was Nobu's contribution to the whole thing? I mean, we've got Madame Gao and her drugs, the Russians transporting them through the taxi service, and Fisk being... well, Kingpin. All I can think of is Nobu's clan coming back for vengeance in either Season 2 or with Iron Fist's show. It just felt like Nobu didn't have that large a presence in the actual show itself compared to everyone else, especially as a highly-ranked member within Fisk's group.