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Tales: Not fine enough to Baba. They're making games "for where their fans are" and that looks to be PS 3(which they still haven't abandoned yet)/4. He wanted the Wii U to sell way better before moving back to Nintendo so why should he take the series back to a all new system aside from if Namco told him to if that rumor was correct? There are no plans for a new handheld game AFAWK.

Console debut/exclusive: Nope, exclusive games are only going to be available to people on PS 4 with PC ports possible in the future while with debut games the makers are still thinking about other consoles(but none look to Xbox it seems so maybe NX has a chance with some of them). FFVIIR won't be fully complete and ready for even a PC port until 2020 at the earliest most likely and as said they've not even teased a Xbox release and told people to buy PS 4 if they want to play the game so while ports are possible thanks to UE 4 they aren't actually likely right now. It's expensive to pay for a game to be fully exclusive nowadays.

KHHD: The same way they're doing on PS 3/4. Catch people up on the series with games not available on the main console at first. Nintendo has never had a main game in the series on their consoles(much like Xbox but there it's most likely because their port of KH 3 is most likely a cash grab but easy to port even if it's inferior). The new collection on PS 4 with 3D will most likely sell as great as Type-0 HD did since it contains the prologue to KH 3 with the battle system and graphics of the entry.

Persona: SMT will go on selling(the new game is out on 3DS soon right so it'll be a few years until the next)but Sega will most likely seek to port as many Atlus games as possible to PC while their gaming division is taking in water. Persona 5 Golden won't be out until 2020 at the earliest(based on 4G)but in this day and age it'll most likely be also available to buy as DLC to owners of the game so why should people buy the game again?

(If anyone wonders why I seem so against NX it's because I'm not. I want the console to beat Xbox One(PS 4 is impossible, at this rate it'll beat the still alive 3DS in a year), hell I was going to buy a Wii U the day before the NX stuff started dropping, but having these thoughts about full 3rd party support from companies(with games that are already way into development) that haven't put Nintendo at the same level as others in years is only going to break hearts. You've got to get a grip on expectations until companies actually start talking about their products and you can know what to expect unless you want to be crushed by what turned out to be unreasonable expectations in a industry where money and time goes before everything else)

edited 1st Feb '16 2:27:09 PM by LordofLore

From what I understand, the issues with the XBO and KH 3 was about XBO's power not being what SE wanted for it's games.

If SE wants to start bringing over some of it's bigger RP Gs over to the NX, it all depends on how powerful the handheld and possibly the console are, and how Nintendo handles third parties regarding the requirement of games on both systems.

If the handheld is powerful enough to handle KH 3's engine, then there won't be a problem. If the handheld isn't enough, but Nintendo lets them make it console exclusive, then there won't be a problem either. If the handheld isn't powerful enough, and Nintendo forces them to make sure the game runs on the handheld as well as the console, then we will probably not see some of their bigger games on the NX.

It also depends on how cheap it is to port the game over. If it's relatively cheap, then they will at least try to port their bigger games.

But right now, that's all just predictions. We won't really know until they come out with more

Going off this, I was watching BrainScratchCommentaries's quick play of Final Fantasy Explorers and it made me realize, even if the NX is a family of systems with a portable and a console, there will still be games built for portability and big AAA games built for the console.

edited 1st Feb '16 1:44:58 PM by tclittle

"We're all paper, we're all scissors, we're all fightin' with our mirrors, scared we'll never find somebody to love."

So, what you're saying is that you need to maintain a completely cynical outlook and assume that absolutely nothing good will happen and any attempt to display an even remotely hopeful outlook must be crushed immediately.

I'm not saying that what you're saying isn't going to happen, I'm just saying that it's far from the only possibility and there's nothing wrong with hoping for the best. It's how most of us get through our day-to-day lives.

edited 1st Feb '16 1:44:31 PM by Zelenal

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Something that a lot of SE developers are bringing up this year is the fact that the PS 4 can do lighting a lot better than Xbone so maybe Nintendo should get the best tech for lighting on their side?

Edit: There's nothing wrong with hoping but going "there's a 50/50 chance this game(that isn't even out on it's primary console) will be on our console soon after release" is most likely only going to disappoint you when the same company didn't even port your own portable games to HD on your own home console despite having all the code for it.

edited 1st Feb '16 2:21:22 PM by LordofLore

No it won't. While they may be wrong with the percentage, they're expecting that it can go either way so it not being ported wouldn't be as soul crushing as you're making it sound.

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Wii U Wii U Wii U. Wii U doesn't matter. It never mattered. Aside from Namco Japan gave it less support than the west. What matters is the 3DS, which did get Final Fantasy and Kingdom Hearts and Tales and Persona and a bunch more third party games that actually mattered. That is what the NX is the successor of, so it's far from unreasonable to think that it will continue from where it left off.

I don't get the cynicism regarding JRPGs. We're not talking western shooters, sports, and open-worlds. After platformers they're the safest genre to put on a Nintendo platform, and it's their best bet to actually sell in their home country. These aren't huge gambles. These are cheap ports meant to sell games to a wider audience. Will it get all? No, but there's cynicism, and there's being pessimistic for the sake of being pessimistic.

Since FFVIIR and KH 3 are both confirmed to be running on Unreal Engine 4, there's no question that Xbone and PC ports are well within the relam of possibility since the engine is designed with those platforms (PS 4, Xbone, PC and higher end smartphones in mind.)

The NX's ability to run Unreal 4 is gonna be a deciding factor regarding the viability of porting those games. I'd be surprised if Nintendo didn't support the engine since the HD branch is specced for mid range PC level specs and the mobile branch is specced for iPhone 4S+ (mind you the mobile branch has a lot of limitations in terms of graphics and the Blueprint VM)

For Nintendo to now have hardware capable of running the engine would require that the NX's home system be below PS 4 specs and the NC handheld be below the iPhone 4S+,sonething that I have a hard time believing even they would do.

Yes, my current feelings on ports/multiplatform games relies on the hardware being decently powerful, supporting middleware, and overall not being a pain in the ass to port to. I could be giving Nintendo too much credit here. The 3DS and Wii U don't give much reason to hope.

But the New 3DS does support Unity, so I don't think it's implausible to believe Nintendo has been looking at middleware at least.

That's right. Japan kinda ignored Wii U as well didn't it.

Well, I'm hoping that NX does better.

That being said, is there anything from the Wii U (a concept or a function that you liked) that anyone would like to see carried over and/or improved when the NX comes?

I mean, it seems that if the stuff about Hand-held / Console integration is true (that's still on the table right?), then the gamepad function will somewhat comeback, but what else?

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I hope the NX continues to support amiibo. (Honestly, at this point it would surprise me if it didn't.)

"Lucian, don’t be afraid, we’ll make it through this."

I think amiibo are a likely thing they'll keep. But that was probably obvious and easy to put the tech into the new system(s).

edited 1st Feb '16 5:11:22 PM by Geist-Fox

I was just reading the Q&A from the financial meeting and Kimishima still said "we will talk about the NX next year." This means next fiscal year so we won't hear any major NX news til maybe at least April.

"We're all paper, we're all scissors, we're all fightin' with our mirrors, scared we'll never find somebody to love."

You probably read the wrong Q&A.

Probably was...

"We're all paper, we're all scissors, we're all fightin' with our mirrors, scared we'll never find somebody to love."

I don't know why Gaf kept linking October's slides and Q&A. A quick glance tells you it can't be this one.

There was nothing on NX of course. My Nintendo and Miitomo are coming real soon at least.

New rumor. Since I'm in a hurry, I'm going to just copy/paste it.

edited 7th Feb '16 12:07:10 PM by tclittle

"We're all paper, we're all scissors, we're all fightin' with our mirrors, scared we'll never find somebody to love."

In b4 Final Fantasy VII Remake for NX.

One Strip! One Strip!

Nah, SE would already have kits due to DQXI and their other handheld games on the 3DS meaning Nintendo would not want them to wait(and would probably rather release the games in one package for NX if it comes to the console after the series is all out on PS 4 much like we all expect them to do with a PC version).

More likely Ni no Kuni 2(which had history with the DS) or some other PS 4 First game that Sony didn't want to pay to pay to get exclusive(since it would cost a lot and the only other system devs would want to release most of their games on this gen is PC with some watching what Nintendo might do and Sony only cares if the devs want to release on Xbone).

edited 7th Feb '16 1:56:36 PM by LordofLore

Ni no Kuni 2 would not fit the "graphically intensive" descriptor.

Which is why I also said "or some other PS 4 First game"(and the game looks great and the old one lagged on PS 3 at points). And hey, if the rumors about the handheld coming first are true having a good looking sequel to a DS game could be cool.

Graphically demanding(intensive is another word) games on PS 4 are hard to tell because so much is about art style these days. FFXV is good looking but going by the devs the game would look better and have a more consistent frame rate if they didn't have to account for the XB 1 version or had gone with another engine instead of building on what they had. Uncharted 4 is looking amazing but it only really has problems in multiplayer so the frame rate is lowered, the maps are more simple and everything looks slightly worse.

The source's(if it's actually speaking the truth)workplace doesn't have a dev kit yet so it can't be one of the big players that gave the 3DS or Wii U support(and thus would be first in line to get a dev kit) like Sega(Sonic, Atlus etc), SE(Bravely, DQ etc), NB(Smash etc), WB(LEGO etc), Capcom(MH etc) and maybe Activision(Skylanders). The fact the source later said that NX games from the key partners started being made in 2015 makes me question him.

Could be working at Ubisoft? It's either that or a smaller publisher.

edited 8th Feb '16 5:25:05 PM by LordofLore

Ni no Kuni 2 is a graphically intensive game for Level 5 seeing how most of their output these days is 3DS/mobile. That being said, Ubisoft would make the most sense if it's legit since they're likely to launch with several games for reasons outlined earlier. Plus they're famously leaky (unlike Japan) and have a reputation for it, so it seems plausible Nintendo would hold off on providing them with dev kits at the moment.

Maybe they're just going to port those Wii U games they held back due to waiting for the console to actually sell enough for their taste?

Nah, the NX has to sell enough before they can justify porting over.

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"We will give you these Killer App games to you if you sell well!"

"No you don't need the killer apps to sell well in the first place we just need to promise them to the consumers and deliver them after the system sells well that's how business works shut up!"

In Japan the only companies that can sell systems to a large degree are Nintendo, Square, Capcom, and Level 5. Maybe Namco as well, but mostly through sheer volume of titles. They need the NX to sell well if they care about the traditional market in Japan (I'm not sure how much Square cares though). So NX will get Killer Apps from them. In the west however none of them except Nintendo and Square can sell systems. Obviously several more western publishers can sell systems in the west, but they don't need the NX, and I doubt Call of Duty, Madden, or Watch Dogs would sell the NX to a significant degree anyway.

While I'm probably more optimistic than most about Square's support, they've proven to be unreliable in general, and of their franchises only FF and KH would sell a Nintendo system in the west anyway. So it'll primarily come down to what Nintendo has to offer as usual. Getting western Killer Apps is probably necessary if they want the console to have continual support year round, but they won't sell the NX on their own merits the way they would for the other two systems.