Dead or Alive General

With respect, I don't think it's a matter of finding someone to license it. I'm pretty sure if Tecmo Koei really wanted to, they could license it in the US themselves.

It's just that I don't think SJW folks were as prevalent as they are back when DOAX 1 and 2 came out. Otherwise, we probably wouldn't have seen those games come here in the US.

So if anyone needs to take it up with anyone, I think you'd have to take it up with the SJW people rather than Tecmo Koei. Just saying.

edited 27th Nov '15 7:54:58 AM by TargetmasterJoe

If you really believe Social Justice Warriors had anything to do with this, I don't know what to say to you.

(realizing he's probably coming off as a misogynist a-hole)

Oh, well, weren't the complaints of the hard-working Social Justice Warriors the reason why Tecmo Koei is being skeptical about having DOAX 3 in the US?

(If it means anything, I wasn't that serious about what I said.)

EDIT: it's never failed before! Corgi apology activate!

edited 27th Nov '15 8:29:37 AM by TargetmasterJoe

That is the belief of an individual that knee-jerk blames SJ Ws for anything they don't like in regards to video games, like all the recent censorship news about Xenoblade Chronicles X and Bravely Second.

There is one of three things actually happening here:

1. Tecmo is being 100% honest and don't want to release the game for fear of backlash. If so they're cowards that are unwilling to stand by their product.

2. Tecmo is lying about why they aren't releasing to either drum up sales for the game, garner sympathy, or prove that there's enough of a demand for the release. If so then they're dirty rotten liars.

3. A combination of 1 and 2- Tecmo is afraid of backlash, but don't feel the game would sell enough anyway so they're using this as a scapegoat. This would make them both cowards and liars.

Tecmo is lying about why they aren't releasing to either drum up sales for the game, garner sympathy, or prove that there's enough of a demand for the release

That's a thing video game makers do?

At this point, it's far more likely for a company to do that cancel the release of the game due to something as uninpactful as backlash.

So you think it's possible that Tecmo will "change their minds" once they see that there's enough demand for DOAX 3 to appear in the US?

If so, then sneaky! 0_0

That's what I predict.

Wait a minute...

Are there any major gaming events, expos, conventions, or anything between now and early next year?

Because if what you predict is true, then maybe they're just gearing up for an announcement where they'll basically say "we have heard about the demand and it has surprised us, to say the least. Due to popular demand, we are proud to say that Dead or Alive Xtreme 3 will arrive in North America for Play Station 4 and Play Station Vita later this year."

I don't really keep up on that stuff.

Local knee-jerk reactionary who blames everything on SJWs here.

The fact that Koei Tecmo directly invoked the extremely negative climate created by SJWs in the West (regardless of their actual reasons), as well as the intense and frankly hilarious amounts of butthurt when Play-Asia mentioned SJWs in their tweet stating that they would still have an English-subbed version available for import is, in my opinion, damning enough.

People who have been calling for suppression of "problematic" material should not be upset when people blame them for suppression of "problematic" material; you made your bed, now lay in it.

The lady doth protest too much, methinks.

edited 27th Nov '15 11:14:59 AM by MoreThanBored

What risk would people saying the game is dumb possibly pose for them as a company? That just means they're unwilling to stand by their product. If they're too cowardly to accept criticism then they shouldn't have made the game in the first place.

Koei Tecmo are the only ones with power in this situation. It's their choice to release the game, not mine or yours. The blind hatred that people have for the SJW boogeyman is making them flip-flop on decisions just to spite people they don't like.

Since when has "people might not like it" been considered a valid reason among fans to not localize a game? This is the same logic project rainfall got hit with and it was just as stupid back then.

Because if they're convinced that the West hates it, then why release it there? And there is an extremely vocal minority who hates it on principle and would see it and games like it simply not released, instead of simply not buying it.

If this is just a marketing scheme, then it seems unnecessary; people already know what Dead or Alive is.

If they wanted to release the game then they could do it. No one is preventing them from doing that. There wasn't any controversy here until the developers and publishers made one up.

"DOAX 3 is a shitty game that demeans women"^NOTE I don't actually believe this)

Now: please tell me how that sentence I wrote prevented the game from coming out.

edited 27th Nov '15 11:30:40 AM by VeryMelon

But it makes no financial sense to release a game that won't be welcome here, at least according to the vocal minority present in games journalism. When one of the most public and present voices in videogames right now is Anita fucking Sarkeesian, can you honestly say that there isn't a hostile environment here?

"I can't acknowledge that they have power, but I still like to blame them for every ill in the industry"

Except they do have power. The problem is that they have a disproportionate amount of power with regards to the portion of the market they actually represent.

Your whole argument is "people might say mean things to them". None of that is special. Developers get criticized all the time for the games they release. This isn't any different. There's no difference between me saying your game's shit because it's boring and me saying it's shit because you spent half the budget on breast physics and tan-lines.

The games haven't reviewed well because they're not very good video games. If the developer is so fragile that they can't handle the criticism they probably shouldn't be in business of creative media. You're guaranteed an audience or praise just because you made a video game.

Again, if I'm trying to decide whether to spend money on the decision to bring my game over to the West, and I'm made to believe that there is an extremely hostile environment toward it in the West, which will lead to poor sales and thus make the investment a bad one, what reason do I have to bring it to the West?

"DOAX 3 is a shitty game that demeans women"^NOTE I don't actually believe this)

Now: please tell me how that sentence I wrote prevented the game from coming out this time.

Now imagine tons of gaming publications saying that and that opinion being parroted on gaming forums/hiveminds such as Neo GAF.

People who are so obviously disgusted by this are obviously not going to buy this game, if I'm led to believe that this general atmosphere of disgust and hatred of sex is the norm amongst the Western audience then trying to release the game is a waste of time.

That has zero relevance to the current situation. If they wanted to release the game then they could do it. No one is preventing them from doing that.

This is just a marketing ploy. It's painfully obvious. If the game were to have released here it would have been panned and sold terribly just like every other game in this series. So what do you do? Drum up controversy to get the sheep angry at the SJW boogeymen.

edited 27th Nov '15 11:58:30 AM by VeryMelon

Geez, make a series of JRPGs with cute anime girl personifications of video game consoles and no one bats an eye. Do a game that's half-beach sports and half-fanservice and is considerably less anime than the former and everyone loses their minds!

Am I wrong?

You aren't wrong, this "controversy" really is a big load of nothing.

Besides, lord knows that out of the two countries of Japan and America, it's America who's more down for stuff that's bound to give it raging stiffies.

...at least, that's what I assume. I could be very, very wrong. In which case, I ask that you please forgive me.

edited 27th Nov '15 12:49:40 PM by TargetmasterJoe