Suicide Squad Movie

That was pretty sweet. Thanks for the summary, man.

I mean, if this was the novel that came out of the script, and if there really was as much cutting done as is rumored, there must be a better version of this movie we could see. There has to be. Captain Boomerang's character alone makes so much more sense to me with that one vision (the more he's tempted, the worse he gets). Even his coming back as they leave the bar fits his character better with just that one line.

edited 24th Sep '16 12:09:38 PM by Unsung

Hey, no problem. At first I was recording the differences for myself, but since I was writing them down anyway I thought it'd be cool to share it with everyone.

Jai Courtney on many things, including Suicide Squad.

"If you weren't so crazy I'd think you were insane."

Yeah, thanks for the summary. Right now it's extremely difficult to get foreign books in my country, but I'd like to try and buy that novelization someday.

According to Best Buy Suicide Squad: Special Edition will release in December

The Digital HD release will be in November.

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edited 5th Oct '16 8:31:36 AM by Halberdier17

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Here is the boxart for Suicide Squad Extended Cut◊

On Blu-ray it had both versions of the movie same with Digital HD.

DVD only had the theatrical version.

Batman Ninja more like Batman's Bizarre Adventure

I thought this film had no extended cut. So is the DECU taking a DLC model?

The Extended Cut is probably the original Director's Cut, which means it doesn't have all that weird editing. Which is good, because that's what I want to see.

Does it still have the same antagonist though?

Because that was what made the movie pointless.

The suicide squad was supposed to be black-ops, killing people with plausible deniability for the government. Going through an elaborate plan to make criminals to do a totally on-the-record job? That's not something an extended edition will fix.

edited 5th Oct '16 10:26:59 AM by willyolio

There's absolutely nothing wrong with the villain in that regard. The Skwad acted as a black ops team to take her out and to keep the real high brass of the government's hands clean. This mission was so covert that Waller had to execute all the low-level government officials working for her.

Not even the SEA Ls with Flag knew what they were fighting against.

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Halberdier, you bested me yet again. I swear eternal vengeance against you.

edited 5th Oct '16 11:36:40 AM by Cruherrx

"If you weren't so crazy I'd think you were insane."

Yes, but there WERE SEA Ls present. As in, signed up members of the US Military. As in, goodbye plausible deniability. You might get away with a bunch of criminals just one day breaking out of jail to go fight other criminals but when those 'escapees' are accompanied by military personnel you don't need to be Batman to work out that something's not quite adding up here.

"These 'no-nonsense' solutions of yours just don't hold water in a complex world of jet-powered apes and time travel."

From what's in the movie, and just in the movie, Rick and Waller's thing is covert, down to the soldiers they choose. This isn't a fully government-sanctioned undertaking. This is the top brass of the government covering its own ass (since they're the ones that green-lit the Skwad in the first place; and there's this random monster that seems to have shown up out of nowhere in Incubus), and the rank and file officials that get caught up in it get thrown under the bus.

There's plausible deniability because nobody knows it isn't just the Skwad out there in the field.

And let's not forget that the civilians were shipped out of the city and it was quarantined off. The only people left there are feds and stupid people (which is probably how Enchantress has so many soldiers).

edited 5th Oct '16 12:12:49 PM by Cruherrx

"If you weren't so crazy I'd think you were insane."

Consider what happens if everyone dies. Acknowledged criminals alongside military officers is not that difficult to deny, in the case of Midway City it would be easy to assume they stuck around for looting.

And I think that's a problem with a number of Suicide Squad stories, they forget that they exist for a specific purpose, a Suicide Mission. Instead they are given jobs to do that any black ops or Impossible Mission group should already be equipped to handle. If the mission wasn't extremely dangerous they would't entrust it to a group of disposable wild cards. Flagg mentions it as such when talking to Waller, where Waller references the US Navy recruiting The Mafia for guard duty on the docks.

As for the extended cut of Suicide Squad, I'm interested (it looks like it's going to be in all Blu-Ray and digital releases like BVS did) but unfortunately they are setting a precedence for their theatrical versions to be destroyed critically and warmly received by the home video representing the original intention and highlighting the stupid executives worried about running time.

"Instead they are given jobs to do that any black ops " Note: fictional black ops who have no problem mowing down things found only in fiction.

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I think SS needed to reevaluate its antagonist. If any superpowered threat supervillain is ravaging a city, it’s not clear why America needs a “plausible deniability” option here of unwilling gangsters with guns and bats rather than, say, asking Batman or Wonder Woman to step in. Why were criminals nesscery for stopping worldwide destruction?

edited 5th Oct '16 2:05:50 PM by RulerOfImagineverse

They weren't. The original objective of the team was to rescue Amanda Waller from the building. They decided to save the world on their own.

But yeah, hopefully later missions will have their actually be black ops — i.e. going into foreign countries, assassinating enemy metahumans, rescuing double agents and so on.

Well I think Wonder Woman's civilian guise is still unknown (hence her efforts to recover Luthor's file) and the government wouldn't be able to get hold of her otherwise. Batman's ID is still officially secret (Waller suspects but has no proof that we know of) and is more likely to tell them where to go rather than be involved in doing the government's dirty work.

The problem I had with the mission the Squad had in the movie is that it didn't seem as much a black ops government-sanctioned mission - it was Waller screwing up and trying to save her own backside and not doing a particularly good job of it. She's not the Well-Intentioned Extremist, did what has to be done chessmaster of the comics.

In JLU her revealing knowledge of Batman's 'real' identity visibly shocked him (albeit he recovered quickly.) DCCU's equivalent scene and Bruce seemed totally unfazed in the least. She just doesn't feel much like the character of Waller beyond her race and gender.

"These 'no-nonsense' solutions of yours just don't hold water in a complex world of jet-powered apes and time travel."

In JLU her revealing knowledge of Batman's 'real' identity visibly shocked him (albeit he recovered quickly.) DCCU's equivalent scene and Bruce seemed totally unfazed in the least.

Doesn't that say more about Bruce being far more callous in this universe and less about Amanda herself?

If anything, the one thing that gets Waller to hesitate in all continuities from cracking down on the Batman with the US government's full might is the notion that he still has the honor of giving a fuck about showing up in her office and silencing her right there and then. Getting Batman to sneak up on you and chew you out is already a strong hint that you probably did something to really piss him off, so planning to actually try and expose him is a sure sign that you're insane enough for him to drag you to a cell in Arkham.

I think it's been generally agreed that Batfleck has much less self-restraint towards killing than his other incarnations. It doesn't take much for Waller to deduce that his contingency plans against her very likely are lethal.

edited 5th Oct '16 3:13:45 PM by FluffyMcChicken

I'm beginning to see why they called it the DC Extended Universe.

Nah, Waller was very true to her character.

The Squad was formed so they had a contingency to deal with threats like Superman. Things went south with Enchantress, so she cleaned it up. That's it, really.

She's got the callousness of the character, the smarts, the intimidation and the modus operandi. She is Waller. A much better Waller than the idiot that appeared in Assault on Arkham.

edited 5th Oct '16 4:48:54 PM by Cruherrx

"If you weren't so crazy I'd think you were insane."

Amanda Waller herself has varied in terms of competence and how far her extremist views go. Sometimes she is literally a Reasonable Authority Figure with just enough of a tough streak to get the job done, other times she is a Necessary Evil barely any better than the monsters the heroes are fighting, at her worst she is an outright liability hindering the heroes from actually getting the job done. The JLU version is the best received version of the character, partially because she was an outright antagonist to the heroes and had a Heel Realization. JLU did lean her more towards a "noble reasons but brutal methods" that made her seem like she was simply misunderstood. I would say between all her different incarnations the movie was able to make it clear that she is not a good person while not being quite as overtly evil as the Assault on Arkham or Arrow versions.

What I liked about Enchantress as the antagonist in Suicide Squad is that it originated from Waller's own rationale of trying to get a lead up on controlling metahumans and the development of Task Force X. It actually kept the story compact instead of introducing an outside character and having to set up more plot concerning them. Introducing Enchantress didn't feel like exposition, since she had a similar dossier to the other characters.

Perhaps her New 52 character or her Arrow character, but not the character she was originally in the original John Ostrander Suicide Squad.

She looks like a female Kingpin.

I like to keep my audience riveted.

since she had a similar dossier to the other characters.

Except Slipknot.

Seriously, why was he even there? Do you think she pulled his name out of a hat?

Ok, who let Light Yagami in here?

It's confirmed his backstory was filmed and included in previous versions but cut for time. It's an either/or situation. Long before the movie came out people had him pegged as a Sacrificial Lamb because he was a D-list character with no personal ties to any major hero (first appeared fighting Firestorm, afterwards just sort of shows up with the Suicide Squad or other groups like Kobra. When it came closer to release the same shot of him zip-lining with his harness was about the only footage of him, and it became even more more obvious.

Basically, even if they included his backstory he would still be the obvious one to be killed to prove the bombs are real.

They weren't. The original objective of the team was to rescue Amanda Waller from the building. They decided to save the world on their own."

Except the plot really gave them no choice. From 50:00 to 1:48:00 the director spent time only on characters breaking into Midway City, rescuing a VIP, and ultimately defeating the villain. If they walked away after the VIP part, SS would have ended with Enchantress winning, which means no more DECU at a time when the director thought superheros weren't nesscery for another doomsday threat. By default they weren't allowed any other choice.

On the other hand, by not making the conflict with Enchtresss anymore ambiguous or shaddy the antagonistic nature of the Squad became less relevant as the showdown came to your typical sequence found in every other none antihero story. Them being the opposite of the Juistice League doing what the JL does without much negative consequences bothers me.

Meanwhile, doing anything for this Waller is too stupid because she's beyond incompetent. The movie is jaw-droppingly consistent that she’s an active liability to everything she’s trying to accomplish. Why take orders from her?

edited 6th Oct '16 2:56:52 AM by RulerOfImagineverse