Misused: The Dev Team Thinks Of Everything

Then what do you suggest?

Another Duck proposed a possible alternate description we can use.

I suggest we interpret "Rewrite the definition to be more clear (and cleanup all misuse)" to be "replace the current definition with Another Duck's (and cleanup all misuse)".

For various reasons, I'm not opposed to that.

I would prefer that to be a separate more specific option really.

Looking at the early posts, it sounds to me like several people might have been confusing this for a Video Game Version of Shown Their Work. Then again, this does strike me as a Sub- or Sister-Trope to that. Perhaps the description rewrite needs to add a note on that.

Next up, looking at the page, I see one glaring problem:

How can a Trope/Audience Reaction that depends on (multiple) Interactions from its consumers have examples from works non-interactive media that are not In-Universe or Discussed/ Conversed/Lampshaded/etc?

Kill non-interactive non-discussing examples with fire!

edited 22nd Jan '15 8:01:42 PM by DonaldthePotholer

Have you read said examples? Most of them are either in-universe, are computer programs (which can indeed invoke this trope), pinball machines (which can be viewed as "mechanical video games") or, in the case of the Homestar Runner example, rely on the fact that the cartoon can be decompiled and viewed in Adobe Flash as if you're viewing the very source code of the cartoon.

Granted, there's indeed misuse, but those can be removed from the page as they're not needed.

edited 23rd Jan '15 2:45:13 AM by KarjamP

I believe non-interactive example goes to The Producer Thinks of Everything.

That is why I specific non-interactive as opposed to non-Video Games: Pinball, Computers, and Tabletop Games are, to me, part of the "interactive" umbrella along with Video Games.

I'm just noting a potential source of the problem, that this trope applies to interactive-media only. gave a good Sister Trope for non-interactive media. (I thought it was just Shown Their Work.)

edited 23rd Jan '15 7:19:52 PM by DonaldthePotholer

How much longer will the crowner remain open? I've never been a part of one of these before and don't exactly know the procedure.

It's supposed to remain open until there remains a consensus.

Septimus Heap, however, refuses to consider the current lead a consensus in spite of meeting the minimum requirement of having the ratio of 2:1 due to it being too vague (in spite of me suggesting how that option could be interpreted).

It's not a problem of a lack of consensus.

It's a problem that the leading crowner option is unacceptably open-ended. We've had endless problems with crowner options like that one. If another option which describes a redefinition gets consensus as well, I'll call it for both. Right now that isn't happening.

Not saying it's the problem of a lack of consensus. I just worded my post wrong.

I had already proposed how the "open-ended" option can be interpreted.

In fact, I believe Another Duck's proposed alternate description was written in response to you saying it's open-ended.

edited 24th Jan '15 4:01:08 AM by KarjamP

That was why I started it, but it was also started after the crowner option was added, which means not everyone who voted for it may have considered it what the option meant.

Add it to the crowner now and see what happens? Or does anyone want to edit anything else on Sandbox.The Dev Team Thinks Of Everything before that?

edited 24th Jan '15 4:08:08 AM by AnotherDuck

Alright, I've added it in.

Well anyway we do it, The 'predicts every possible outcome' type really needs to be a trope of its own seprate from those lots of unnecessary world building details described earlier.

edited 24th Jan '15 1:54:57 PM by Memers

...That was fast.

The option to use Another Duck's draft is already in second place and technically beats the one in first place on sheer virtue of having the ratio of 6:1, enough for it to have a lot better consensus than the first option in spite of having less votes.

edited 25th Jan '15 8:04:02 AM by KarjamP

The draft is now in first place, but we probably need to wait for it to get more votes before we call this one.

I think the draft is on the vague side, and wouldn't really help preventing the situation we're in now. Based on the current examples, there are several people that feel this trope is already met when the game has just a single easter egg somewhere, or a single witty response for something unexpected. What I think would really make it clear is taking an example from Trope Namer Net Hack (or make up a fictional example in similar vein), such as the paragraph on Croesus or on Retribution from its subpage.

Also, several of the listed "related tropes" aren't really related, i.e. Artificial Brilliance ("a well-programmed AI"), Genius Programming ("gushing about software that takes the hardware to its limits"), and The Producer Thinks of Everything ("gushing about a plot planned well in advance" and an unfortunate Snow Clone). That should probably be fixed.

Incidentally, the current page has about a dozen subpages for specific games; some of those may need deleting as part of cleanup. $.02

Which is why "clean up the misuse" is included as part of the option to use the draft.

And "Rework the trope to be about the game being programmed to cover each and every possible response the programmer could think of" is at 1, with the ratio of 1.10:1, compared to "Replace the current definition with the one on Sandbox.The Dev Team Thinks Of Everything (and cleanup all misuse)", which is at 7 with the ratio of 4.50:1. (The sudden drop in the ratio from 9:1 to 4.50:1 is due to a second downvote that had been added to said option).

Thus, it still technically beats your proposal.

While the Nethack example is obviously a good example of this trope, it is not a good example to use as a general comparison because of how thorough it is. Using it as the standard is too much.

That's entirely right. Nethack doesn't need to be the standard... but we do need a standard.

Unless we can figure out what said standard is, the proposal's useless.

I don't see any reason why a single easter egg shouldn't count if it's unexpected enough. In practice, I think that's what the trope has become anyway.

If you're just going by Nethack, it's probably Too Rare To Trope.

edited 28th Jan '15 11:54:43 PM by storyyeller

If you were to say it's Too Rare To Trope like that, please explain why it is.

After all, while I don't agree with making it a la Nethack, I believe in doing things properly (and that includes knowing all the relevant facts).

The way I see it, the Hearthstone, Persona and Star Trek Deep Space Nine examples that I brought up are the basis for the trope.

It certainly is not too rare to trope.