Tokyo Ghoul

Anyone feel that it doesn't make any sense that Mutsuki is able to fight Takizawa, when he defeats Houji, Tatara and multiple investigators by himself? Kaneki managed to defeat Yamori, but that's because Yamori is weak compared to the more skilled, clear-thinking Kaneki who also has a superior Kagune.

Takizawa's an Ukaku, and he's been in a whole conga line of tough fights up to this point. And what were we told about Ukaku way back in the earlier chapters of part one? Ukaku run out of steam quickly, and thus have issues in prolonged battles. Not to mention that Mutsuki also fought dirty by blinding him first before getting him with a Groin Attack.

Last time I check, Mutsuki is a Bikaku, which is weak to Ukaku, yet we don't see that. He has a superior Kagune, longer experience in fighting with a Kagune(since Mutsuki barely uses it) and combat in general. He shrugs off fire and limbs being cut off but you're telling me a kick in the sack hurts him? He lasted the entirety of the battle with Hinami with no lost in stamina considering he regenerates quickly afterwards.

edited 24th Sep '16 6:04:02 AM by Ikedatakeshi

The weaknesses are not absolute. It's not like pokemon where fire-types are strictly weak to water-types just because; the relationship between kagune types was formulated as a general guideline based on typical kagune: For example, Ukaku tend to burn out quickly, so since Koukaku is usually defensive can easily hold out then swoop in for an easy kill. Bikaku are jack-of-all-trades, being decent on all fronts, which usually means they typically can't hope to win a war of attrition against an Ukaku's superior firepower, and can't keep up in terms of speed either. But this is an analysis that assumes both sides are at similar levels of exhaustion; Mutsuki entered the fight pretty much fresh, and we can assume well-fed as well since Mutsuki had to have gotten those clothes from somewhere. Takizawa has been fighting battle after battle against tough opponents with little opportunity for a break or food. You might say that Amon wasn't exactly a difficult opponent for him to deal with, and you'd be right, except that when Takizawa jumped on his back it appears that he stabbed his kagune through his own body to pierce Amon, so he did take pretty severe damage in that fight too. And I haven't even taken his mental state into account yet.

Looking at the actual fight, I think calling that a victory is too soon. Mutsuki didn't actually land any serious blows during the fight, in terms of anything that could be fatal. Just things that either left Takizawa off-balance, or momentarily stunned.

I mean, he's clearly recovered by the time Akira takes action. So it's less a victory, and more simply buying more time through trickery. I mean, Mutsuki wouldn't have even been able to hurt him at all, if Takizawa hadn't been over-confident and gotten into close-quarters.

Am I the only one bothered by the fact that Mutsuki's Kagune doesn't seem to be coming out of the right place? It looks like it's coming out of the back like a Rinkaku. Shouldn't it be lower down?

Yeah, I do think Takizawa got overwhelmed rather too quickly, even with the series of "dirty tricks" he got hit with. But at the same time, yeah, even if Mutsuki's last attack had landed it probably wouldn't have had any lasting effect. Which makes Akira's "rescue" there futile, but at least the moment of crisis revealed her gut response to the possibility of Takizawa dying.

Nishio's comment about the zombie investigators' "assets" dangling around made me laugh, at least. XD Although now that the clowns have shown up at this location too, things are getting even messier.

One thing that I'm super-interested in, with Shikorae working with Roma....

Does this mean he is aligned with the Clowns? Will he be joining him after this?

If so, that could have some very interesting potential. He's hinted to be the canon version of Rio, and guess who currently owns the quinque made from Rio's brother?

Yeah, Furuta.

Furuta wants Super Peace.

Oh wow I did not know that was Fururta's quinque. This should be fun then.

So Shiro is Jail right? Cause that was Rio's evil alter-ego correct?

Yeah, Rio turns out to be Jail. And evidence is pretty heavy that Shikorae is Rio, so I guess we will see where that goes.

I mean, if memory serves, the whole Jail Incident was a response to seeing his brother turned into a Quinque. Kijima might be dead now, but I have to think Rotten Follow will still get an enormous reaction.

Also, #protectAkira2k16

If Shikorae is Rio then his Jail persona must of came back with a serious vengeance. Makes me wonder what would of triggered it. His appearance also doesn't scream ridiculously cute green haired guy like Rio is although he could possibly of just dyed his hair a different color and grew it out.

Was Jail ever given a direct appearance in-game? From what I am reading here it seems like he was only referred to due to the violent rampage he went on due to his brother's death. No appearance given.

....Also, from what I am reading there was apparently a sketch of Shikorae in the game book. No explanation was given for this. That might be the red flag right their.....

edited 26th Sep '16 1:59:35 AM by Ecrivan

^ The only appearance is when Rio regains his memories of the Jail Incident, which basically just shows him with the creepy unique Tainted Veins surrounding his eyes. (We saw Shikorae with them when he attacked Hachikawa with his kagune.)

So yeah, there's a lot of red flags that Shikorae = Rio.

• Shikorae image hidden on the Jail Scenario book's inside cover.
• Unique kakugan veins that Rio and Shikorae both have.
• Shikorae's bikaku and ukaku are identical to the designs used for Rio's potential kagune.
• Kijima's manga bio mentions Jail.
• Shikorae was one of the Cochlea escapees.
• Scenario D, an unused scenario Ishida wrote where Rio is found by someone described as having "tiny, delicate hands" that is implied to be Eto.

So is Owl going to Heel–Face Turn or get hit with Redemption Equals Death?

edited 26th Sep '16 4:58:03 PM by nervmeister

^ Good question. He already underwent a Heel–Face Door-Slam that went completely off the rails, but maybe Amon can salvage this disaster.

I would totally be down for part two of their bromance.

A "reformed" and mellowed-out Owl in casual wear but with the same goth-ey nails and facial highlights would be kind of funny.

I'm hoping for some possibility of Takizawa's redemption, but it'll be hard for the CCG to overlook the many, many people he's killed. Maybe he can do the Wandering the Earth thing with Amon.

Yeah I cant really see them getting a true redemption that doesn't involve being locked in a cell all his life or executed, because he's done so much cruel things and enjoyed every minute of it. They could at least pull the insanity defense cause he is crazy.

It's anime/manga. If they can turn a literal Nazi, and a monkey alien who's butchered entire planets into good guys, then Takizawa will be no problem.

Different mangas. Using those as examples doesn't work.

Yeah the settng as well as genre are like vastly different.

He could possibly do a wandering of the earth type thing. That would actually be pretty interesting now I think about it as we have never seen how the ghoul situation is like in other parts of the world. I mean we have heard of German Branches of CCG and Tatara was from China but that is about it.

I also wonder how differently countries would of developed with the presence of ghouls being around as far back as the middle ages if not more.

This whole discussion raises a good point, since there's.....kind of a lot of characters in this series that have done terrible things. In terms of the legalities, every ghoul character is pretty much someone that shouldn't be allowed to live.

Even putting that aside, the majority of them have committed remorseless killings in the past. Ayato and Touka have both killed people because they wanted to. Yomo caused a lot of problems in the past. Tsukiyama used to take part in the Restaurant, and killed people for pleasure. Nishiki has caused enough trouble to be a major target. Kaneki just helped carry out a major prison break. Naki and Miza have killed a bunch of people as members of Aogiri and their respective gangs.

Everyone is kind of guilty to some degree, so redemption isn't out of the question. It's just the legal side of things where stuff gets bad.

Oh man, looks like it's time for another page divide.

https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Characters/TokyoGhoulReHumans

Ideas about how to divide things up?

Quinx - Suzuya Squad on one page and Washu Clan - Other Humans on another I think.