Tokyo Ghoul

:Re is a sequel to the manga. It would be... possible to have anime of that happen with where the anime ended- the broad strokes of the plot are in the right place- but lots of little details don't quite match up. For example, Suzuya got his leg chopped off in the manga, so he has a prosthetic in :Re, but root A just had him break his leg, so a prosthetic wouldn't quite make sense.

edited 26th Mar '15 12:39:28 PM by Gilphon

They can alter it. Just like how they did the rest of the adaptation.

This season with its unanswered questions does seem to be set up for a season to explain it, hopefully longer than this one.

And the prosthetic is kind of plot-significant, too.

They also completely abandoned all the Kanou stuff, which would hurt :Re as well.

I have a bad feeling they would screw up the Quinx as well, like removing some of their nuances and make them more generic. (S-sob generic Bifauxnen Mutsuki, pun-less Haise, YAOI CHINS EVERYWHERE).

edited 26th Mar '15 12:43:22 PM by harostar

Speaking of yaoi-chins, Arima had suddenly had one in these last two episodes, even though in his other three appearances he looked relatively normal. Then again when he was trying to write his testament his hand was covering the lower part of his face, maybe the mutation had already begun?

The yaoi chins this season were out of control. Amon, Arima, and Tsukiyama with those crazy chins.

Now, I like Saiko, but I think she might be a clown.

Note the checkered shirts and peace signs.◊

Would it not be wiser to split this topic in anime and manga?

Aside from the unmarked spoilers who pretty much kill any incentive for anime-only people to post here, the differences are starting to reach Fullmetal Alchemist 1 proportions.

Anyway, I guess that was it for Root A. I started rather disappointed by the ending, not that it was bad by any means, but because it was a bit dull compared to my expectations (and a bit too contemplative). But the Children Of Men-like scene sold it for me, proving if it was necessary how far the Root A opening had fallen, considering the beautiful one we had in the first season.

In the end, I think this season suffered from the "Game of Thrones season 3" syndrome: they knew they had something huge happening in the end, but they forgot to make the first half really interesting. But the ending was worth it.

Also, I'm pretty sure Suzuya had his leg chopped in the anime too, I distinctly remember him using his scythe as a second leg of sorts. I was expecting a close-up to be sure but never got one.

edited 26th Mar '15 4:12:52 PM by Julep

Regarding the manga, I neither recognized nor remembered the unspoilered names and events being discussed as I skimmed the past five pages or so of this thread, so spoilers aren't much of an issue for me.

Am I correct in assuming that the events in Root A mirror the ones in the manga, minus Kaneki's presence? It seems like the assault on the prison and the Anteiku raid occur regardless of whether Kaneki switched sides or not.

The post credit scene was definitely setting up for Re right? Or the anime equivalent at least. It was literally setting up re

edited 26th Mar '15 5:53:09 PM by Jedi1113

Attempting to not be too spoilery, essentially the first season follows fairly close to the manga but greatly condensed. The final three episodes are SUPER-SUPER CONDENSED Aogiri Arc, leaving out the beginning half which is about Kaneki as a captive of Aogiri befriending Banjou and his group.

The second season....uh....it basically uses random pieces of the manga. The prison raid happens off-screen, at the same time as the battle in the 11th Ward. From there, we get an arc focused on Amon as well as Team Kaneki searching for Dr. Kanou. Then we get the big Kanou Lab raid, which has a lot of events in common with the anime Prison attack (Juuzou vs. Twins, Amon and Akira vs Naki, Kaneki vs Shachi, Kaneki turning into Centipede, Centipede vs Shinohara, Centipede vs Amon).

Then the build up to the Anteiku Raid. The anime followed it very closely, with the exception of the final episode. Kaneki fights Arima midway through, and Hide's fate is unknown. (He's declared a Missing Person.) We also find out why Eto showed up to save Yoshimura, which explains Aogiri's presence at the battle and missing bodies.

The other big difference is....well....some of the characters are different. Kaneki lost a lot of his character development, as he spends a lot of time struggling with his trauma/violent impulses, and his slow descent into madness.

Tsukiyama is probably the most changed from manga to anime. The anime makes him a comedic creeper, but in the manga he undergoes major development over the 6 -8 months basically working for Kaneki. (The breakdown on the roof in the manga makes far more sense, since they've had months of becoming close).

Banjou is also a major player, since he's The Lancer to Kaneki.

The manga has three major characters, essentially. Kaneki is the primary leader, with Amon as the main lead for the human side. Juuzou is the secondary human lead, with a lot of focus on his relationship with Shinohara.

edited 26th Mar '15 6:06:51 PM by harostar

Thank you, that was very informative.

I'm going to take a wild guess here: This Dr. Kanou person you speak of was the guy who turned Kaneki and the twins into half-ghouls.

Dr. Kanou is the doctor in the first episode, that did the surgery on Kaneki. So yes, that's the primary Arc they skipped.

With the manga, I really can't think of good place to pick it up since it does skip over so much material. If you really want to skip ahead, start with chapter 47.

As for the bit at the end of the episode, it does seem to set up :Re. People are wondering if we're getting a third season, but hoping that they'll do a reboot first.

The only stuff confirmed right now is the Tokyo Ghoul Jack OVA.

edited 26th Mar '15 8:47:11 PM by harostar

Yes Doctor Kanou was the doctor who turned the twins and Kaneki into half-ghouls. The Quinx CCG squad in Re is based off of his work. The anime also does not make it even hint at what happened to Amon and some of the other missing Investigators either. Takiwaza was the only one we see get captured (although they made it look like Noro used one of his Combat Tentacles to eat him) and that scene was drastically different from the manga.

Dr. Kanou works for Ayogri. In Re he apparently managed to turn Takiwaza and presumably Amon into half-ghouls.

edited 27th Mar '15 4:43:16 PM by Bleddyn

You'd think that covering the guy who turns the protagonist into a ghoul would be a sensible portion of the story to cover in an anime.

That plot point (among the other details that I missed out on because the anime decided that they weren't important) makes me want to pick up the manga from the beginning.

That would probably be for the best. Plus, you can pick up any of the other details and differences between the anime and manga which are there. Not to mention, some of the end-of-chapter bonus material is funny, but does provide some insight into the side characters.

Chapter 23: Go Go

Raw scans out now!

Summary: Nutcracker ambushes the team, and starts kicking ass. They manage to wound her, but the scene shifts before the leader can finish her off. The Quinx fight Kanae, who freaks out about how everything is Sasaki's fault while remembering playing a duet with Tsukiyama — Kanae is a violinist, apparently. He takes down Urie and Shirazu, but is defeated by Sasaki. Matsumae appears and rescues him, using a piece of her kagune to seal the hallway so they can escape. (More unique Ghoul abilities!) Meanwhile, Nutcracker is revealed to be a Dual-type like Hinami — she's Bikaku and Koukaku. One Investigator gets tossed out the window to his death, while the leader is wounded. She crushes his nuts and eats them, then compliments the woman in the group for being beautiful before kissing her/eating her face. The Quinx are unable to get through Matsumae's barrier, so contact Matsuri for more orders. Sasaki requests that Mutsuki be allowed to withdraw to get medical treatment, and he agrees. Nutcracker is upgraded from an A to an S-rank, and he sends the rest of the Quinx to deal with her. Sasaki asks Urie to take Mutsuki to their main forces — he says Shirazu has no sense of direction, and with Saiko he would worry. Urie's the only one he can trust to handle it. Urie is angry but they head off while the others go to deal with Nutcracker. Meanwhile, Takizawa has cornered two of Atou's team in a restroom and is eating a head. He replies to Command's traffic for them, so they think all is well. Urie and Mutsuki head towards him, unaware that Atou Squad has been wiped out.

edited 28th Mar '15 12:38:37 PM by harostar

RIP Urie and Mutsuki. After all the effort put into saving him. And Nutcracker's actions put her earlier scene of licking Mutsuki's face into a more terrifying light. She eats men's (crushed) balls and women's faces.

Ever since I watched the ending of Root A, I've had this feeling that I at first couldn't describe. I only now realized that it was the same jaded, depressed and semi-pissed feeling I had after I read the ending of the original series last year.

MUTSUKI NO. WHY DO YOU ALWAYS GET PUT INTO THESE HORRIBLE SITUATIONS? Also, Urie will be going up against "Owl". Not the one he's after obviously, but still, I think that's interesting.

I have a feeling we'll be seeing Mutsuki's kagune very soon. I was thinking back to that scene near the beginning of :re where Sasaki made him food, and was watching him eat. Originally I thought it was because he couldn't eat normal food and wondered what it was like, but then I saw someone online saying that this took place not long after the Quinx's doctor told Haise that Mutsuki wasn't very strong physically, and would need to toughen up. I'm thinking that he slipped a little human flesh into that dinner.

EDIT: Translation is out.

URIE YOU JACKASS.

edited 28th Mar '15 8:06:29 PM by GreenGoblin

So Urie is going to leave Mitsuki behind to be captured.....I sense something really bad is going to happen to this Jerkass in the future (possibly at the hands of Haise/Kaneki if he does not clean his act up

And also, something tells me Takiwaza is going to meet someone he knew back when he was a investigator (likely Akira or some of the other veteran investigators) in this battle. They are going to find out Ato's squad is being decimated and eaten pretty damn soon at this rate even if he delayed them for some time by responding to the radio calls. So far it does not look good for CGG considering Nutcracker and Takiwaza are killing off squads....

edited 28th Mar '15 9:05:07 PM by Bleddyn

Man, that was incredibly fast. O_O

And they really weren't kidding when they mentioned that Matsuri is infamous for getting everyone under his command killed. At least Oshiba managed to get word out before meeting his end.

Urie, stop being such a little punk already.

I question how Urie thinks backstabbing Mutsuki is supposed to help him with his promotion-boner. Not to mention he's being a hypocrite by abandoning a comrade, when he's so pissy because Iwao and others 'abandoned' his father. How many asskickings will he have to go through before he learns his place?

By the way, how do Team Hinami regard Seidou, assuming they're aware of his existence? Does Seidou know that they're on the same side (Aogiri) as him?

Urine being a hypocrite is kind of his thing. Too smug and self absorbed for his own good.

Presumably Urie plans to get Mutsuki "accidentally" killed. Despite his "best efforts" to protect him, of course.

And so Nutcracker is more powerful than expected, too. I hope Ishida doesn't go overboard with throwing in new characters...it's starting to become difficult to keep track of all the new faces that are apparently being introduced for the long-term. Quite apart from the Quinx squad, there's now Matsuri Washuu, a few investigators (Kuroiwa Jr, foxface and probably a couple others I forgot), Kanae, Torso, Miza, and now Matsumae and Nutcracker seem to be joining in.

Though of course, I'm not including all the cameo contest winners who are there to get killed off. That CCG investigator who got her face eaten seems to have been one of them? I...suppose Ishida having Nutcracker call her beautiful might have made things better. A bit.

I bet Urie's father is rolling in his grave right now, or would, if he could see what kind of asshole his son is.

Urie seems to almost be what Akira could have been. Both of them had parents who stayed behind to Hold the Line against Eto while the rest of the team retreated. Except while Urie blames those who left his father behind (never mind the possibility that it was his father who made the decision in the first place), Akira (and Mado as well, albeit he hates all Ghouls in general) restricts her grudge solely towards Eto, and doesn't seem to resent Marude for giving the retreat order.

Imagine if Mado lived long enough and Aogiri captured him for their experiments. How would he respond to not just being turned in to Ghoul, but being turned into a Ghoul via the OWL's (regardless of which one) Kakuhou. I assume he'd rather kill himself than live as a Ghoul.

I'm definitely curious about how the other Aogiri folks feel about Dr. Kanou, his experiments, and the resulting hybrids. (I have to imagine it would trouble Hinami, because of what it did to Kaneki as well as her probably recognizing Yoshimura's scent if she gets anywhere near Takizawa.)

It sounds like Eto and Kanou consider him a trump card, but is he one that is reliable or just a rabid attack dog that everyone has to stay the hell away from?