The Seven Deadly Sins (Nanatsu no Taizai)

Gowther is still with the Commandments btw.

Course he is. Fraudrin's a lot more formal with them here than he was in the present. This is before he got the same status as them.

I'm guessing that this is where Gowther will lose his memories.

I was thinking that too but then I felt like that would probably not be something that just comes up in passing during different characters' backstories. I was thinking that this flashback happened pretty much immediately before the goddesses and demons were sealed but I suppose it might be taking place a little further back than I thought.

Also how did Dolor and Gloxinia know about the parts they weren't there for ??

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It is kind of accepted that once a flashback starts, especially in a comic medium, the viewpoint does not need to stay anchored to the characters being told the flashback to.

Sariel bears more than a passing resemblance to King. Maybe more than one character is going to lose their memory here.

edited 4th Feb '17 1:27:45 PM by DocJamore

Besides they'd probably find out about this later. Well, I would say that, but they couldn't remember where they heard the name "Gowther" before so, eh.

I'm going to go with Evil vs Evil in terms of the Goddess vs Demon clan thing going on.

People keeping saying that, and it keeps not making sense.

Why doesn't it make sense? The leadership of both sides have been shown murdering civilians and planning genocide.

Because equating the goddesses being assholes in a war against a group of creatures that have, on the whole, been portrayed as evil and a danger to everyone else around them, but not as an actual threat to anyone else, is not the same or as bad as the aforementioned group that is generally a danger to everyone else.

Like, I don't believe that the demons are Always Chaotic Evil, and I don't believe all of them should pay for the sins of their race or anything, Meliodas is proof they can get better, but I'm not going to give them the benefit of the doubt like some of you seem content to, because the story has done a piss poor job of giving me a reason to do so. At best you could probably say that they're only Usually Chaotic Evil.

I honestly feel that people got so high on the idea of the goddesses being the "real" evil ones, that they're willing to overlook scale and the context of why these things are happening.

edited 4th Feb '17 10:10:49 PM by LSBK

Someone tell which side is the empire so I can cheer for them.

That's all Rob wants.

Or just say fuck every side and kill them all.

If you're murdering enemy non combatants and attempting to wipe them from the face of the Earth regardless of their moral character, you are not a good person. Two of the other archangels are on board with this with the only qualm noted being that murdering that group of prisoners was kind of inefficient because the energy could have been used as a weapon in this battle.

Plus, I figure it's only a matter of time before that R archangel guy smugly gloats about how all the inferior races are just slaves or pawns or something. Or have the humans burn the fairy forest for some reason.

edited 4th Feb '17 10:46:53 PM by Arha

They literally murdered a bunch of civillians they took hostage. That's the same kind of acts the demons have done as well, and they even sadistically love doing it too, and Ludoshel himself even creepily hits on Elizabeth. Not that it's saying much considering how Melodias acts as well..

Nothing about the ones we've seen in this past has come off as good so far save for Elizabeth. Nerobastra is even a coward who abandons the humans to die in the present after a human gives his life to free her, tries to kill off Derriere and the others, and then cowardly tries to play the victim when she was a willing participant in the scheme.

We even see a more monstrous angel in Tarmiel. Still humanoid but more hideous compared to others.

I think you are jumping the gun in saying they're somehow not as bad.

Really, LBSK, if you're coaching your argument in terms of how both groups are portrayed, you're remiss if you don't acknowledge stuff like the lead angel's shadowy villain face when he announced the plan, or the way we focused on Derrerie's sibling being killed right in front of her.

The Angels are definitely not being portrayed as in the right here.

Yeah, probably, but I'm not judging on probably.

Seeing as he obviously wasn't hiding his intention, are all the humans, fairies, and giants evil too? Also, demons aren't supposed to be treated as a monolith but the goddesses are?

I never said exterminating them all is a good thing. My point was that from the perspective of the actual characters dealing with this, they have very understandable reasons to be thinking this even if it's wrong.

This story has never acted as if the demons weren't an antagonistic existence to, well, everything else around them, so it's a little late to start acting as if they're all the same.

edited 4th Feb '17 11:01:18 PM by LSBK

Then that just means there's Fantastic Racism on all sides. Other races don't blink an eye to the acts performed towards demons so the demons do the same.

And if there's one thing I've learned over the years never trust an Angel in an RPG.

edited 4th Feb '17 11:01:37 PM by OmegaRadiance

Not even Flonne?!

That's assuming they're reacting to persecution and not that the persecution is a general reaction to the things they do.

There's a lot we don't know on all sides, so as things stand, I'm not going to act like they're equivalent when the story hasn't tried doing so until very recently.

But it seems like a lot of people want to do exactly that, no matter how extreme. Like, I actually had a discussion with someone who said that eating souls isn't wrong and they shouldn't be prevented from doing it.

edited 4th Feb '17 11:06:39 PM by LSBK

x2 Especially Flonne.

That is fair to an extent, but so far the Goddess clan has engaged in the same acts while the other races are just there so far.

Did you not read the part with giants and fairies talking about how terrible they are and how they can't wait to crush them? They are active participants here, not just bystanders. The humans only got involved because the demons attacked them, seemingly just because.

Like, I'm not saying the demons are pure evil, nor am I saying that Ludoshel's actions aren't reprehensible. I'm just saying if you don't think we should take the Ten Commandments as necessarily indicative of the Demon Clan it really doesn't make sense to do the same with the Goddess Clan and the Four Archangels.

edited 4th Feb '17 11:11:00 PM by LSBK

No I meant they haven't done the same acts themselves from what we've seen. They're certainly against the demons and fighting back, but we have not seen them participate in the same kind of acts like taking hostages and killing them.

edited 4th Feb '17 11:16:01 PM by OmegaRadiance

Going by Elizabeth that's not something they usually do. It sounded like that started happening recently, specifically for this.

Or Elizabeth is naive and doesn't know they've used these kinds of situations to their advantage before.

They even made it clear she was decoy immediately afterwards. You don't go from honorable fighting to these kimds of tactics except if you've been holding back/hiding ones true colors.

I don't think her going out there was actually a part of the plan.

And I'm pretty sure Monspeet said they started disappearing recently. They certainly took a lot of them, though, and I'm curious how they actually managed that.

edited 4th Feb '17 11:23:08 PM by LSBK

Meliodas is gonna take a page out of Flynn's playbook. Kill the demon king and god or his chariot.